BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > General M3 Forum (E90 + E92 + E93)
 
MINHS Automotive
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-27-2012, 08:34 PM   #45
pedrobot
Second Lieutenant
4
Rep
269
Posts

Drives: 2015 F80 M3
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Texas

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tibra1 View Post
I dont know..let me consult my crystal ball and I wil get back to you
That's the right answer kid!

Now don't come back until you call madam cleo.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 11:12 AM   #46
canadian stig
Banned
canadian stig's Avatar
3
Rep
242
Posts

Drives: 2008 E90 M3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: canada

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rjd598 View Post
its JUST a souped up 3 series? then what else should it have been. clearly you dont know what they did with the e36 m3...that had the same engine from the 3 series line but obviously everything was created in M manner. the e9x m3 is WORLDS apart from the e9x 3 series line. M did a great job and this car def has the potential to become a classic...not a collector. there's a reason why literally this car has not lost a single comparison.
Yes, you're right. There are lots of differences between an M3 and a 328i, and lots of engineering went into it. Nevertheless, the M3 still is based on the 3 series platform, and regular 3 series are more common than sand grains on a beach. Unfortunately, to the general public, an M3 just looks like any regular 3 series. Only an enthusiast can recognize the subtle styling differences between the two of them. Most cars that become classics tend to have a unique styling that stands out from the crowds. An M3 doesn't really stand out that much from the rest of the masses on the road. The GTS maybe does, but plain jane grey M3 don't. Obviously no one can predict the future, but the chances of the E9X M3 (especially if it isn't one of the limited edition models) becoming a classic are very slim. In fact, I doubt the E60 M5 will become a classic either, judging by how cheap and common they are retailing on autotrader for example.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 11:51 AM   #47
rjd598
Brigadier General
rjd598's Avatar
United_States
94
Rep
4,971
Posts

Drives: 10' M3
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego,CA

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
2010 BMW M3  [4.50]
1999 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by canadian stig View Post
Yes, you're right. There are lots of differences between an M3 and a 328i, and lots of engineering went into it. Nevertheless, the M3 still is based on the 3 series platform, and regular 3 series are more common than sand grains on a beach. Unfortunately, to the general public, an M3 just looks like any regular 3 series. Only an enthusiast can recognize the subtle styling differences between the two of them. Most cars that become classics tend to have a unique styling that stands out from the crowds. An M3 doesn't really stand out that much from the rest of the masses on the road. The GTS maybe does, but plain jane grey M3 don't. Obviously no one can predict the future, but the chances of the E9X M3 (especially if it isn't one of the limited edition models) becoming a classic are very slim. In fact, I doubt the E60 M5 will become a classic either, judging by how cheap and common they are retailing on autotrader for example.
Flared fenders, hood bump, quad exhaust, m3 specific front and rear bumper, and cf roof for the e92...once again how much more do you want to make it different than a normal 3 series? I can agree with you that some people wouldnt notice the difference between my car and a regular 3 series because it's happened before. But IMO those people are ignorant because how can you get a preface lift e90 330i and think its the same as a facelifted e90 m3. Maybe my neighbor was on the side of jOking but if you can't differentiate the two based on the sound alone then you got some issues
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 05:38 PM   #48
Poofyo101
Major
Poofyo101's Avatar
24
Rep
1,229
Posts

Drives: e92 ///M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NC

iTrader: (9)

Garage List
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
2012 BMW M3  [0.00]
1990 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdosu View Post
Classic - sure, why not.

Collector? Don't count on it, look at past samples, how much is a E30 M3 these days? $12,500 max in pristine condition in today's money. A E30 M3 stickers around $32k in 1987, equates to almost $59k today.

I'm too lazy to do actual figures based on CPI-U, but you get the idea. This is why you never buy mass market cars as an investment when they're new.

The most valuable BMWs are:
3.0 CSL Batmobile - 157 made
M1 - 450 made

There were 18,000 E30 M3s made, and they were mostly driven daily.

You do know Collectible condition e30 M3s go for almost 40k now in the US......
__________________
12 E92 M3-AW/FR-20" BBS LM-Painted Reflectors-BMW Gloss Black Grills + Gills-BMW Performance LED Wheel-BMW Carbon Performance Spoiler-Akra Evolution-Stoptech Trophy
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 05:42 PM   #49
mdosu
Banned
No_Country
127
Rep
8,517
Posts

Drives: Double Vanos'd Civic-M3
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (6)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Poofyo101 View Post
You do know Collectible condition e30 M3s go for almost 40k now in the US......
provide link
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 06:06 PM   #50
paicapo
Lieutenant
paicapo's Avatar
146
Rep
416
Posts

Drives: E92 M3, F15 X5 M-sport
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: EU

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdosu View Post
provide link
http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...18105992&Log=0


http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...18574188&Log=0
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 06:21 PM   #51
paicapo
Lieutenant
paicapo's Avatar
146
Rep
416
Posts

Drives: E92 M3, F15 X5 M-sport
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: EU

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdosu View Post
provide link
here are some prices from european cars. curency: 1 Euro=1,3$


http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...rt=ALSO_EXPORT


http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...rt=ALSO_EXPORT


http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...rt=ALSO_EXPORT
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 06:32 PM   #52
Roby84m
Second Lieutenant
Roby84m's Avatar
Canada
10
Rep
260
Posts

Drives: ///M3 E92 ZCP
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Halifax,NS

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via Skype™ to Roby84m
I guess some people will appreciate it more in the future when the hybrid, electric or hydrogen cars become more common. Old folks(us in the future) will miss it. For a good price m3 gives us a good smile and practicality. This car will be missed for sure.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 06:53 PM   #53
Denk
Colonel
Denk's Avatar
United_States
45
Rep
2,122
Posts

Drives: E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: May 2011
Location: PNW

iTrader: (2)

But of course, all M3's are classics. The e9x being the only V8 instantly became a classic...even the next generation being the first generation turbo introduced to the M3 will become a classic.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 06:55 PM   #54
bobbyd1961
Banned
27
Rep
2,411
Posts

Drives: 2009 M3 sedan LeMans Blue
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: new jersey

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by paicapo View Post
what do you guys think about the M3 e90 as a future classic M car?
It's probably going to be the only M3 whit NA V8, the last M car whit a NA motor as things are shaping up.
just talking about that today. bmw dealers have every used m on the lot except e90 m3 . im holding on until i see the new m3 sedan. im scared of the turbo
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 07:17 PM   #55
paicapo
Lieutenant
paicapo's Avatar
146
Rep
416
Posts

Drives: E92 M3, F15 X5 M-sport
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: EU

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbyd1961 View Post
just talking about that today. bmw dealers have every used m on the lot except e90 m3 . im holding on until i see the new m3 sedan. im scared of the turbo

same here, of course it's going to be a wonderful car but tricks like amplified motor sound thru the speakers that they do in the m5 f10 doesn't seem very assuring , another thing is that it fells that BMW M Division is taking the road that Audi did whit there RS models where there from the beginning was one Audi RS, the RS2 and today there's like fifteen of them based on different Audi models, this is in regards of BMW introducing a fourth M model in the M4 witch dilutes the prestige of the M badge in my opinion.
Appreciate 0
      04-28-2012, 11:08 PM   #56
Poofyo101
Major
Poofyo101's Avatar
24
Rep
1,229
Posts

Drives: e92 ///M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NC

iTrader: (9)

Garage List
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
2012 BMW M3  [0.00]
1990 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdosu View Post
provide link
Trust me. I have 3 of them. I know the market fairly well. Wherever you are getting them for 12.5k please inform us. Im sure many of us from the forum would like to pick them up. The old rule for e30s in DRIVABLE, OK cosmetic condition was 15k in the early 2000s. Those days are long gone. Good examples go for 20-25K. Collectible examples 32-40K sometimes higher if it is REALLY REALLY mint.

Btw Enthusiast Auto has sold a handful of e30s in the past year all over 35K.
__________________
12 E92 M3-AW/FR-20" BBS LM-Painted Reflectors-BMW Gloss Black Grills + Gills-BMW Performance LED Wheel-BMW Carbon Performance Spoiler-Akra Evolution-Stoptech Trophy
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2012, 12:03 AM   #57
mdosu
Banned
No_Country
127
Rep
8,517
Posts

Drives: Double Vanos'd Civic-M3
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: San Francisco

iTrader: (6)

well, I'll be damned...40k for E30 M3.
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2012, 08:12 AM   #58
Poofyo101
Major
Poofyo101's Avatar
24
Rep
1,229
Posts

Drives: e92 ///M3
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NC

iTrader: (9)

Garage List
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
1988 BMW M3  [0.00]
2012 BMW M3  [0.00]
1990 BMW M3  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdosu View Post
well, I'll be damned...40k for E30 M3.
Maybe the best car BMW has made though.... Nothing quite like it.
__________________
12 E92 M3-AW/FR-20" BBS LM-Painted Reflectors-BMW Gloss Black Grills + Gills-BMW Performance LED Wheel-BMW Carbon Performance Spoiler-Akra Evolution-Stoptech Trophy
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2012, 01:52 PM   #59
PowerM3
New Member
0
Rep
6
Posts

Drives: e46 M3
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Portland, OR

iTrader: (0)

I think that any m3 has a good chance to become a classic.
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2012, 10:42 PM   #60
1MOREMOD
2015 Track Days - 3|Ridge 1:52:24|Pacific 1:35:72
1MOREMOD's Avatar
United_States
243
Rep
14,065
Posts

Drives: Race car->
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: check your mirrors

iTrader: (5)

not mine all the abuse will require a complete rebuild like old muscle cars costing more than its worth.
__________________

02 Tiag e46 M3|6MT|GC plates|MCS c.o.|GC bars|GC race control arms|GC bushings|BW eng. & tran. mounts|subframe kit|BW race shifter|BW Jaffster|Euro header|BW exhaust|K&N c.a.i.|Epic race tune|Rouge pulleys|Seibon CF hood|CSL bumper|apr gt 250 & splitter|ST-40|XR-2|SS lines|half cage|Recaro profi|Profi 2 harness|BMWpedals|BW studs|
Appreciate 0
      04-29-2012, 10:48 PM   #61
thug123
Second Lieutenant
thug123's Avatar
7
Rep
279
Posts

Drives: 997 2 GT3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: toronto

iTrader: (1)

i dont think it will be classic
Appreciate 0
      04-30-2012, 03:50 AM   #62
paicapo
Lieutenant
paicapo's Avatar
146
Rep
416
Posts

Drives: E92 M3, F15 X5 M-sport
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: EU

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chriszeh View Post
not mine all the abuse will require a complete rebuild like old muscle cars costing more than its worth.
I think I'm looking at a similar scenario
Appreciate 0
      04-30-2012, 04:36 AM   #63
ashtaron14
Lieutenant
ashtaron14's Avatar
Hong Kong
16
Rep
540
Posts

Drives: E90 M3 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: HK

iTrader: (0)

I think of Classic when they have Pop-up headlamps and Wide fenders... my E90 has only 1 of 2. So it's not a Classic, maybe a Baconator, but not a Classic for sure.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2012, 06:59 AM   #64
Ausfredy
Private
Ausfredy's Avatar
Australia
1
Rep
96
Posts

Drives: alfa 159 3.2 SW
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Melbourne

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by canadian stig View Post
classic car? no chance in hell. it's just a souped up 3 series, and you really don't wanna know how many E9X 3 series bmw sells a year. so what if it has a V8? The new mustang gt also has a v8, one that actually makes torque without the need to redline it every time, and is sold for half the price of an M3. Cars that become a classic usually have something very special or unique about them, they are usually pioneers that are the first to do something of historic significance. The M3 is good at a lot of things, but does not really excel at anything in particular. It doesn't really stand out at anything. It's just not unique or revolutionary.
Please Read your post and check the price off a 993 Porsche last air cool $$$$
__________________
E92 VO M3 :
1M VO : SOLD
ALFA 159 3.2 SW
E70 X5 35d sold
DUGATI PANIGALE R
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2012, 09:27 AM   #65
ChrisDUS
Private
Germany
0
Rep
98
Posts

Drives: 2008 M3 E90
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Düsseldorf, Germany

iTrader: (0)

A few things are for sure:

- the E9x will be the only M3 ever built with V8

- the S65B40 will be the last high-revving V8 @ BMW. Comparisons with a Mustang V8 are pointless as the engine concept is completely different. Low low-end torque compared to bigger low-rev V8s is low, that's true. That is the case with any sophisticated race-like engine

- It's the last N/A M engine for now.

- It will probably be the last M car which is offered with a manual gearbox

There will be nothing like the M39x in the future so it will somehow be a classic. A highly sophisticated one. Not sure the standard M3s will ever experience what happened to the M330, though. GTS and CRT might be a different story.
Appreciate 0
      05-23-2012, 10:25 AM   #66
///Machine
Second Lieutenant
///Machine's Avatar
United_States
4
Rep
247
Posts

Drives: '13 E92 M3 / '11 X5d
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisDUS View Post

- It will probably be the last M car which is offered with a manual gearbox
Let's throw some wood in this fire...
Is there a classic-ability difference between manual and DCT E9x M3s?
Will a DCT survive in driveable condition as long as a manual?
Will anybody know how to drive (or care about) a manual in 20 years?
I have no answers...
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:19 PM.




m3post
m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST