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      04-18-2012, 12:35 PM   #1
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1M vs M3 Powerband Dynos - ESS Tuned vs Stock

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Horsepower: ESS Tuned/Stock 1M vs ESS Tuned/Stock M3



Torque: ESS Tuned/Stock 1M vs ESS Tuned/Stock M3

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      04-18-2012, 01:16 PM   #2
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I love the nice flat torque curve of the 1M but damn, the horsepower really drops off after 4300RPM. Looks like a diesel dyno.
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      04-18-2012, 02:36 PM   #3
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But look at the horsepower and torque under the curve. The 1M is quite a car.
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the 1M has a lot of area under the curve compared to the M3
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      04-19-2012, 10:12 AM   #6
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looks like the 1m turbo runs out of steam after 4.5k.. Definitely need a bigger turbo!
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It isn't hard to see why they do so well against the M3, thats for sure.
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The 1M is an incredible little beast for sure. Very impressed with the stock numbers .

However, for my taste, I prefer the high revs and the flat torque band of the M3 .

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      04-19-2012, 12:05 PM   #9
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I love the nice flat torque curve of the 1M but damn, the horsepower really drops off after 4300RPM. Looks like a diesel dyno.
Its the torque curve that drops off after 4300rpm, hp peaks at 5500rpm. This is pretty common for a DI turbo motor.

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looks like the 1m turbo runs out of steam after 4.5k.. Definitely need a bigger turbo!
All it needs is meth injection and it will make well over 400 WHP. Meth allows for more timing (and of course, power) in the upper RPM range and as a consequence, the torque curve will flatten for a longer duration on the x-axis of the dyno plot.

This is a nice comparison. I changed my boost profile to be linear to attempt to create a powerband similar to a N/A motor for track days. I'll be getting the real thing (M3) soon
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Its the torque curve that drops off after 4300rpm, hp peaks at 5500rpm. This is pretty common for a DI turbo motor.

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I think you might be reading that wrong. The torque curve is pretty much flat across the board...the HP peaks at around 4300.

I have a 135i and it has very similar power curves...just less power.
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I think you might be reading that wrong. The torque curve is pretty much flat across the board...the HP peaks at around 4200.

I have a 135i and it has very similar power curves...just less power.
I think YOU read it wrong !
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I think YOU read it wrong !
Well, I think YOU read it wrong!

Edit: after looking again, I guess I was the dumbass reading it wrong.
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I've always been impressed with the 1M but damn the S65 is amazing in it's power delivery as well. The torque is certainly not neck snapping but it's ALL there for 5,000 rpm. While every bit of torque is there, horsepower is actually steadily climbing off idle all the way to redline. WHAT OTHER MOTOR DOES THAT? Please educate me.
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I've always been impressed with the 1M but damn the S65 is amazing in it's power delivery as well. The torque is certainly not neck snapping but it's ALL there for 5,000 rpm. While every bit of torque is there, horsepower is actually steadily climbing off idle all the way to redline. WHAT OTHER MOTOR DOES THAT? Please educate me.
I could think of a couple Ferrari or Porsche motors...pretty damn good company for the M3 to be sitting in IMO.
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I think some people are mis-reading the graphs. Also anyone else notice the wrong labeling does not help the torque curves. First the m3 is the one with the long flat torque curve and completely linear power curve. The 1m has a higher peak torque but is not flat and lasts not nearly as long.

That is why the m3 is decievingly fast. It sure as heck does not "feel" fast to most that drive it, especially coming from an FI car or monster v8, however if you have a chance to do a long redline run and watch your tach to see for example in 2nd or 3rd gear (1sts happens too quickly), you are pulling what seems like forever in the top of the rev band to redline. Compare that to large majority of other cars or an n54 engined car, you will have a very short couple thousands revs near the top to pull in each gear and you do not want to be at the top in those cars as the power drops signifigantly up around redline. Hence you make more torque but for a much shorter time.

I relate it to a runner.

Would you rather sprint for half the race then be drop dead tired for the other half.

Or would you rather have a fast pace for the whole race, which nets you a quicker finish.

Turbos kick you in the butt and have more oomph but its short lived. M3 has less oomph but is long lived and this is what horsepower does a good job at measuring. It accounts for the revs in addition to raw enginen torque to paint the entire picture which is why despite what many say, horsepower is the best measure for any type of race.

First graph is all M3, second graph is all 1M...at least that is how it looks too me.

Now that I keep looking at it, maybe I AM the one reading it wrong...I need another beer..maybe that will clear things up.
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I could think of a couple Ferrari or Porsche motors...pretty damn good company for the M3 to be sitting in IMO.
Exactly my point and the company I thought would be mentioned. Wonderful car, too bad it's going away shortly. I'm glad I got mine.
We will be speaking fondly of the E9x M3 years from now.
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First graph is all M3, second graph is all 1M...at least that is how it looks too me.

Now that I keep looking at it, maybe I AM the one reading it wrong...I need another beer..maybe that will clear things up.
The 1st graph is horsepower and the 2nd graph is Torque. Both cars, stock and tuned, are in both graphs.
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The 1st graph is horsepower and the 2nd graph is Torque. Both cars, stock and tuned, are in both graphs.
Yeah, my dumb ass finally read the titles above each graph. I'm not used to seeing it broke down like that.

I'm gonna go in the other room and play with my Leggos or something for a while.
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Yeah, my dumb ass finally read the titles above each graph. I'm not used to seeing it broke down like that.

I'm gonna go in the other room and play with my Leggos or something for a while.
It's Legos not leggos
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Well, however they are spelled, they are delicious waffles.
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Well, however they are spelled, they are delicious waffles.
On that we can agree
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