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      05-01-2012, 05:26 PM   #177
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What are the recommended plugs for this motor?
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What are the recommended plugs for this motor?
NGK LKR8AP plugs are used. BMW PN 12120032273
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      05-01-2012, 06:05 PM   #179
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http://www.amazon.com/NGK-LKR8AP-Mul...art/B001MU5LSI

Correct one?
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      05-01-2012, 06:15 PM   #180
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Those are it. Awesome price too.
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      05-01-2012, 07:33 PM   #181
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Just updated my software from E89X-09-12-512 to E89X-12-03-502. I'd be lying if I said I felt a difference but the telephone interface is better.
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      05-02-2012, 02:34 AM   #182
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No harm done Mike. I think Tom was just trying to make the point that module failures are few and far between and that people shouldn't be overly concerned about it. Your posted seemed to suggest the opposite. Anyway, no big deal.

I appreciate your input in here and hope you keep posting. There's a huge lack of knowledge in this area in this community. The more discussion we have between knowledgeable individuals, the better IMO.

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Sorry Tom did I say something wrong here?

There were some inquiries on updating the car and I have tried to help explain some details of this to those on the forum.

I did tell the OP Nice Gains on the first or second page of this thread, and I don't mean to disrespect him. Thought I was giving people factual information.

I'd love to go into the code and check knock sensitivity between the files because the post above is an accurate account of changes that likely could have been modified between software versions. But I won't post anything further since you think having a logical discussion about 231E Software and the updating process (which is the title of this thread) is disrespecting the OP.
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My car is going in tomorrow and I'm going to ask about the update.

Does anyone know if having a Delete-R will affect how software updates are handled? Should I pull it out before taking it in?
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      05-02-2012, 09:36 PM   #184
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I'd pull it out - do you immediately get a CEL without it? What dealer?
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I'd pull it out - do you immediately get a CEL without it? What dealer?
No, check engine pops up after putting a few miles on...adding the Delete-R resets it (and continually resets it I think).

I'm going to Schomp.
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Can the update be done with a CIC nav retrofit installed on a 2008 M3?
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      05-04-2012, 01:42 PM   #187
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Can the update be done with a CIC nav retrofit installed on a 2008 M3?
Not through the dealer, no. It will need to be with someone using autologic or BMW developer software that's leaked across the internet.
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      05-04-2012, 03:35 PM   #188
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Can the update be done with a CIC nav retrofit installed on a 2008 M3?
I can update it remotely for you, even if you have the CIC retrofitted. Factory tools is my preference.

M3PO: Thank you for your comments. I appreciate that you are genuinely interested in the information and am happy to help. I did check the knock sensitivity a few other things in the file, most seems to be the same. They probably made some changes to the actual operating system portion of the programming which controls ion sensitivity handling, or something to that effect. There are always things they are changing in the code as they get reports from the field on issues customers experience. That's not to say that someone on 180E software wouldn't have error free operation. The ECU has to adjust to many different environmental factors.
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What's the realistic mileage for spark plug change? Mine is a Sept '07 built car with 31k km. Do I need spake plug change?
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What's the realistic mileage for spark plug change? Mine is a Sept '07 built car with 31k km. Do I need spake plug change?
Mine was changed at 35K, it's supposed to be at the third oil service from my recollection.
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      05-05-2012, 07:08 AM   #191
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What's the realistic mileage for spark plug change? Mine is a Sept '07 built car with 31k km. Do I need spake plug change?
I started losing power around 15-17k on 180E. We have a dyno and test the car frequently. Replacing the plugs fixed it.
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Mine was changed at 35K, it's supposed to be at the third oil service from my recollection.
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      05-06-2012, 10:16 PM   #193
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I want to switch to 231E but will it effect warranty at all!!

Sorry if it was already said!!
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Warranty? 231E is OEM software.
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I meant anyone outside a dealer doing it, can that void the warranty?
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I want to switch to 231E but will it effect warranty at all!!

Sorry if it was already said!!
Updating has no effect on your warranty.

If you are uncomfortable with an independent repair facility performing the update, I would suggest having the dealer update for you.
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UPDATE: Tom uploaded the tuned version of 231E to my car. We re-baselined it before and dynoed it after.

I don't have the sheets (maybe Tom can post them) but it made 363.5 HP for the 231E new baseline. This is after the car had two weeks to adapt/retard the timing and it was 20 degrees hotter outside as well. What that tells me is that this update is still making power. While this baseline is 8.5 HP lower than the stock 231E baseline, that could easily be attributed to many things, the biggest of which is likely temperature. Adaptations and dyno variations being two others. Regardless, this baseline was 13.5 HP higher than my original 100E baseline despite the significant temperature difference. I wouldn't be surprised if it made comparable power to the previous 231E baseline had the temperature been 20 degrees lower.

The was flash loaded, adaptations retained, and the car only managed 371 WHP after about 9 runs. This I found to be a bit disappointing. We logged a few runs and it was evident that the car was not able to fully adapt and reach the timing targets. It was 4-5 degrees retarded in some places. Sal suggested that I drive the car hard and see if the car adds timing and feels better. I have been doing that and have not relogged it so I can't say for sure but it does seem to feel better on the street.

I should mention that my plugs were replaced by the dealer at 28K IIRC and I have 49.5K miles now. It sounds like it may need to be done again.
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UPDATE: Tom uploaded the tuned version of 231E to my car. We re-baselined it before and dynoed it after.

I don't have the sheets (maybe Tom can post them) but it made 363.5 HP for the 231E new baseline. This is after the car had two weeks to adapt/retard the timing and it was 20 degrees hotter outside as well. What that tells me is that this update is still making power. While this baseline is 8.5 HP lower than the stock 231E baseline, that could easily be attributed to many things, the biggest of which is likely temperature. Adaptations and dyno variations being two others. Regardless, this baseline was 13.5 HP higher than my original 100E baseline despite the significant temperature difference. I wouldn't be surprised if it made comparable power to the previous 231E baseline had the temperature been 20 degrees lower.

The was flash loaded, adaptations retained, and the car only managed 371 WHP after about 9 runs. This I found to be a bit disappointing. We logged a few runs and it was evident that the car was not able to fully adapt and reach the timing targets. It was 4-5 degrees retarded in some places. Sal suggested that I drive the car hard and see if the car adds timing and feels better. I have been doing that and have not relogged it so I can't say for sure but it does seem to feel better on the street.

I should mention that my plugs were replaced by the dealer at 28K IIRC and I have 49.5K miles now. It sounds like it may need to be done again.
15k is about the limit I saw before the plugs start retarded timing/inconsistent timing. We dyno tested every 1500 miles on the same machine.

231E will not solve the issues, it 35% bandaids it. So much for marketing hype.
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