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      04-11-2012, 09:31 PM   #67
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9500ix. If it makes a noise there is a cop. If there is a cop it makes a noise
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      04-12-2012, 01:21 PM   #68
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If the cop doesn't have his radar on before you arrive and turns it on when he sees you coming, would a laser jammer help so he couldn't read the speed?
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I think there is a lot of misinformation going around. I can speak about 9500ci which has a built-in laser shift feature. What it does is when a cop hits you with a laser, he can't read the speed and it allows you to slow down. If a cop decides to hit you again, he/she will get a reading. There is 3 seconds interval I believe. While laser detectors are very popular due to long distance it can go, however, cops know that it is common to get errors. 9500ci is non detectable and the front and rear scanner don't have to be installed on the plates. Short answer is yes it would help but I can vouch only for 9500ci.
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      04-12-2012, 01:27 PM   #69
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I've seen several "traps" over the years aimed at folks with radar detectors and here's how it works.

Your detector goes off so you adjust your speed. You eventually identify the cop, pass him and assume it's OK to speed up again. Your detector still goes off but you assume it's from the cop you just passed.

In general my V1 has paid for itself many, many times over the last 6 years.
No, I don't (speed up with the RD still going off). Maybe you do. With my 9500ix, if it's going off, I slow down, period, until it's not going off. I know that's one of Mike Valentine's hocus pocus stories about why the V1 is supposed to be so much better. Honestly, I sometimes think the only reason he invented arrows was because the V1 falses so much, without arrows you could never speed. All my opinion of course (and this is from a V1 owner).
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      04-12-2012, 01:30 PM   #70
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If the cop doesn't have his radar on before you arrive and turns it on when he sees you coming, would a laser jammer help so he couldn't read the speed?
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Actually, the short answer is no it won't help (unlike what the poster above said). If he's using radar, a laser jammer will do nothing. If he's using LIDAR, yes, it might.
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      04-12-2012, 03:33 PM   #71
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V1 installed with Laser intercepor quad hp heads in front regular heads in back. Not installed under the bumper but correctly in a visible location. Been tested with 2 different lidar guns works very well. I also have the 9500ix in another vehicle and if the V1 wasn't alreay built in I would switch V1 too many falses.
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      04-12-2012, 03:50 PM   #72
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You have several choices in a top end detector:

o Valentine 1
o Escort 9500ci
o Escort Redline
o Bel STi-R+

The V1 and Redline are window mount units, the 9500ci and STi-R+ are remote mount, i.e. you mount the detector antenna outside and the controls and display are inside.

They each have their pluses and minuses compared to each other but all are sensitive and do the job. Read up about this at www.radardetectorforum.org. I consider radardetector.net deprecated.


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      04-12-2012, 07:22 PM   #73
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No, I don't (speed up with the RD still going off). Maybe you do. With my 9500ix, if it's going off, I slow down, period, until it's not going off. I know that's one of Mike Valentine's hocus pocus stories about why the V1 is supposed to be so much better. Honestly, I sometimes think the only reason he invented arrows was because the V1 falses so much, without arrows you could never speed. All my opinion of course (and this is from a V1 owner).
I didn't realize reality = hocus pocus. It's even more ironic that this morning they had this same setup. State cop in suburban shooting and a crown vic further down. Enjoy slowing down for however long until you stop getting hits. Perhaps where you drive, you don't see tactics as aggressive or well planned. Also on a road that is perfectly strait for miles and miles your detector may go off perpetually, such is the case with I-95. Where I live they are often this aggressive [I-95] and in some sections you can't go a mile without a positive. Most often from cops and signs with radar running while at construction sites while they expand and improve interchanges that are just off the interstate (where the side errors really come in handy). Without my arrows I would need to slow down, literally the entire trip to work each morning and that sorta defeats the purpose of having the device. Don't assume your situation or scenario is the same as mine. I'm not a V1 salesman, I'm telling you how it is for me. I have no other reason for expressing my opinion. I could care less what everyone else uses.

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      04-12-2012, 10:32 PM   #74
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Used to own Escort 8500. Switched to V1 and turned off X & K bands to reduce false alarms. Been happy with it ever since I turned off the X & K bands. I'm in Nor Cal where I believe 99% of LE are Ni longer using K bands. So when my V1 goes off, I slow down ASAP.

OP, you can't go wrong with either units. You simply need to find out what's important to you and what you're comfortable with.
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      04-13-2012, 09:16 AM   #75
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Used to own Escort 8500. Switched to V1 and turned off X & K bands to reduce false alarms. Been happy with it ever since I turned off the X & K bands. I'm in Nor Cal where I believe 99% of LE are Ni longer using K bands. So when my V1 goes off, I slow down ASAP.

OP, you can't go wrong with either units. You simply need to find out what's important to you and what you're comfortable with.
How hard is it to program out the X band alerts?

I also upgraded from an Escort 8500 to a V1. I had a V1 that was stolen and replaced it with the Escort. I was never really satisfied with the range of the 8500 and the lack of arrows/bogey counter.

Just had the V1 hardwired and I ordered it with the "savy" unit which plugs into the OBD port. For those that complain about false alerts you may really like this feature ($50 I believe). It reads the speed from the cars computer and you can set a speed threshold (mine is at 45mph) below which the V1 automatically mutes itself. I get an initial alert, but after that it shuts up. When I had my first v1 I noticed I had it turned off often due to the false alerts, so the savy allows me to have it on all the time.
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      04-14-2012, 12:12 PM   #76
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one thing i can say is i have never owned a v1, however, friends have and when you consider that the design has remained the same over the last 5-10 years with slight improvements to internals its a pretty legit piece of technology. arrows are great and everyone who owns one loves them.

for me the 9500ix is what is in my car... for a couple reasons... first... i have a lemans blue car.. and i have blue led interior lights... so the blue led screen of the 9500ix was appealing for that reason. second reason is that it has gps built in that allows it to tell me where speed cameras are (which was extremely useful up until a few months ago when az took out the speed cameras for the most part), as others mentioned it also pinpoints a bunch of the recurring non-threat locations and it does have directional arrows and also indicates the distance to the threat that is triggering the radar detector to go off. you may also plug the radar detector in to the computer and update the database that it has determining where the permanent threats are. as you are being targetted with radar you will also have the speed you are travelling displayed on the radar detector screen.

overall i think as i have gotten a bit older (i'm still only 27) my desire to speed needlessly has gone down and overall right now i would say i havent had as much need for any detector in the past year or two but its nice to still have as a reminder if you are a bit absent minded as you drive.
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      04-14-2012, 01:40 PM   #77
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I'm no expert and I'm not even a really smart guy but I know radar waves travel very fast, like the speed of light fast. So by the time the wave hits the device and returns to the radar unti in the cops car, doesnt the cop already have your speed byt the time the device detects the radar????
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      04-16-2012, 12:24 PM   #78
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I didn't realize reality = hocus pocus. Most often from cops and signs with radar running while at construction sites while they expand and improve interchanges that are just off the interstate (where the side errors really come in handy).
I never said that doesn't happen -- I'm certain it does. What I did say is that if I'm getting a radar signal for 2 miles, I'm staying slowed down for 2 miles. If you actually have cops stationed every 2 miles on your commute , well, sucks for you I guess.

Also, know what else the 9500ix does? It filters out the construction radar signs that you mention having on your route, which they also use frequently around here. Also, K is still used around here, so I can't just turn that off, and even with X turned out, the V1 seems to go off practically nonstop, city or highway, and I'd rather spend my time concentrating on driving, than interpreting V1 signals. As someone else mentioned, if the 9500ix goes off, I can just safely assume there's a cop around, in contrast to the V1.
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      04-16-2012, 12:31 PM   #79
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How hard is it to program out the X band alerts?
Just had the V1 hardwired and I ordered it with the "savy" unit which plugs into the OBD port. For those that complain about false alerts you may really like this feature ($50 I believe).
I'm not really sure I like that feature at all -- it might be a good idea on the highway, but if you are also using it for city commuting, I think it could be dangerous. That's partially my annoyance with the V1. Mike's solution to falses seems to be disabling alerts (i.e. turn off x band, turn off k band), rather than building in better filtering, which he seems philisophically opposed to. Maybe 15 - 20 years ago when the V1 was first introduced, that strategy made sense, as computer aided pattern recognition wasn't that great back then, but now, computers can do that sort of thing far better than almost any human.
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I'm no expert and I'm not even a really smart guy but I know radar waves travel very fast, like the speed of light fast. So by the time the wave hits the device and returns to the radar unti in the cops car, doesnt the cop already have your speed byt the time the device detects the radar????
If you're the only on the road then yes, you're toast by this point. However, detectors work on the principle that the waves travel much further then the distance from the radar gun to the target vehicle. A sensitive detector will pick up the signal far ahead from someone else being targeted, hopefully further than eyesight. Then you'll have enough time to monitor and adjust, if necessary, your speed.

Laser is basically line of sight -- if you get an alert then you've been targeted and likely the radar operator has your speed. However, the V1 is sensitive enough to pick up laser scatter from someone else being targeted up ahead (and I can attest to this). It gives you just enough time to monitor and adjust if your reaction is quick. However, it is not something to depend upon. Radar detection is much more successful than lidar detection.

lcrain,

It's not too hard to program the V1 X-band (or any band) off. It is a little funky the first time you do this. Read the directions carefully and you should be fine.


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If you're the only on the road then yes, you're toast by this point. However, detectors work on the principle that the waves travel much further then the distance from the radar gun to the target vehicle. A sensitive detector will pick up the signal far ahead from someone else being targeted, hopefully further than eyesight. Then you'll have enough time to monitor and adjust, if necessary, your speed.

Laser is basically line of sight -- if you get an alert then you've been targeted and likely the radar operator has your speed. However, the V1 is sensitive enough to pick up laser scatter from someone else being targeted up ahead (and I can attest to this). It gives you just enough time to monitor and adjust if your reaction is quick. However, it is not something to depend upon. Radar detection is much more successful than lidar detection.

lcrain,

It's not too hard to program the V1 X-band (or any band) off. It is a little funky the first time you do this. Read the directions carefully and you should be fine.


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what would a cop do if he pulled you over and saw you have a radar detector?
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what would a cop do if he pulled you over and saw you have a radar detector?
Nothing. It's happened to me before a couple times. I have a V1 but it's useless with the lidar guns that mass staties use. I'm looking into getting an LI jammer
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      04-18-2012, 05:38 PM   #84
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Does anyone use the V1 or Escort thats built into the mirror?
They aren't built into the mirror. The remote displays are built into the mirror. The units are still powered and installed elsewhere.
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They aren't built into the mirror. The remote displays are built into the mirror. The units are still powered and installed elsewhere.
So its not hanging from the windshield anymore right?
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The V1 needs to be on the the window with a clear view in all directions for the arrows to work.
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Anyone using the Escort Redline with or without the 'Live' cord?
I have the live cord with the Escort 9500ix. I really like it although haven't really had a lot of time with the live smart cord because I have mine hardwired and the live cord is not hardwired.
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