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      03-23-2012, 09:33 AM   #45
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@Php - Thanks, that was my intention! I know I can't be the only hot-headed person around here. I hope my story convinces people like me to play it cool. Although we may feel justified to do something, it's not worth the consequence of some crazy asshole pulling something like this.

@The X Men - You shouldn't make assumptions. I had a Ford Ranger, Chevy Silverado, Mustang GT, and my current car at different points in my life. I would've (and have) done the same in any of those. Just because I drive a BMW doesn't give me a false sense of entitlement to do what I want. My hot-head gives me that false sense of entitlement. Either way, lesson learned.


@328xi0wner - Agreed. 20/20 hindsight!
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@The X Men - You shouldn't make assumptions. I had a Ford Ranger, Chevy Silverado, Mustang GT, and my current car at different points in my life. I would've (and have) done the same in any of those. Just because I drive a BMW doesn't give me a false sense of entitlement to do what I want. My hot-head gives me that false sense of entitlement. Either way, lesson learned.
yeah, but with a Ford Ranger, you wouldn’t be able to catch up to him and cut him off I swear, when I get into my Lexus, I am so much calmer. I just let everybody cut in front of me, no worrys in the world. When I get into a fast car, it’s a different story, I have to be the king of the road.
Living in Boston and NY, I learn to avoid road rage at a early age. The roads are way too congested up here, we all have to learn how to share the road.
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It's not worth arguing over. My point is that I don't drive any more or less aggressively when things happen like this whether I'm in a slow car, fast car, BMW, or POS. Anger is anger and what I'm driving doesn't influence that. Now, having a gun pulled on you? That will influence future decisions! Happy posting, my friend.
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And a black youth carrying Skittles is a good reason to believe "that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself"?

I still don't understand why Zimmerman hasn't been arrested.

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I think the issue is whether this is a case of self defense according to the statute in question, as the youth was not committing a felony (or it would have come out by now).

Now, it doesn't sound like the Stanford PD did their due diligence in investigating the case and interviewing witnesses to ascertain the situation TO ME. That said, it's not for the police department to just arrest at will without the legal backing to do so. The real issue here is a stupid law that allows disproportionate force in a situation that may not warrant it, and people should be mad at the legislature and executive branch more so than the local police department which is tasked with enforcing current laws, not creating new ones. Hopefully the Feds are able to get involved if it can be substantiated as a hate crime, but the fact is that in our society we cannot arrest someone without having cause to do so. And, unfortunately, it does not appear at this time as though the investigation has yielded enough evidence (whether this is because it was done improperly, as I think, is another story entirely). Even if Zimmerman looks guilty to you, I, and millions of other Americans, until his crime can be substantiated, he should not be arrested.

Any way you look at it truly is a terrible situation, that was, in my opinion, enabled by a foolish law.
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There is a situation where you do not have to retreat if attempting to prevent a forcible felony. Good guys won and Mr. Martin won't be doing that again.

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.
776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle;
wait what? are you F'in kidding me?
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Is it legal to show off your piece like walk around with a bolster? I know it must be illegal to point it at someone for no reason.
yes it is, your not suposed to draw your weapon unless you legitmitaley feel your life is threatened or in danger.....

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Dick or not, he didn't deserve a gun pointed at him unless he was an immediate threat to the other person's life.
......any dick head can have a gun either legally or illegally is whats scary......but what this guy did is illegal, not just to draw it but to point it at you. hes clearly a huge pussy.

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THIS.

shoulda called police and gave them his license plate. Who knows the next person he will point his gun too. a store? school?
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nobody will use their gun if they point it at you and don't shoot it - I believe that is just scare tactics of the weak... when they pull it out and start shooting , then you know they really just dont give a fuck.
this is true, but its not a toy so he shouldnt be pointing it at anyone no matter how big of a pussy he is or how he intended to use it. Hes def a huge bitch tho, and i would love to say it to his face and have him draw on me.....last thing he would ever do because that would give me legitimate reason to shoot him.

this guy should have been arrested.
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Don't get me wrong, I love guns. I think that since the second ammendment says they are legal, then all is good. BUT, I also love my own life, and living in NYC where it is not possible to get a concealed carry permit makes me feel much safer than when I am down in Florida where every redneck proudly hangs 3 shotguns in the back of his pickup truck and is packing a glock under his plaid shirt. Situations like the OP's would never happen here, and it makes me thankful.

OP- guns don't kill people. Stupid mofos overcompensating for something WITH GUNS kill people. Just learn to take it easy. everyone gets road rage but just be conscious of your surroundings and the gun laws in your state.
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Its simple. if he actually pointed a gun at you that is crime. he does not have to shoot. pointing a gun proves intent no matter what he says. get that license plate number next time.
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I'll be the first to admit that I was a dick and provoked him, but I felt justified at the time since I felt that he was the first offender and it seemed intentional. ...
Seriously? When is it justified to be a Dick? Maybe if you name is Richard, but otherwise?
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I still don't understand why Zimmerman hasn't been arrested.
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Gee Tom, maybe there's some question in what exactly happened? Of course, it's always better to arrest first and find the facts later... Social Justice and all.
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OP, I'm glad you are ok. But you should have not escalated the event. BMW drivers are not the only dicks on the road, everyone has the possibility of being one. I am guilty of driving 'like a BMW' in multiple vehicles, Lexuses, Subarus, Fords, Volvos, no one can be innocent based on their vehicle. I am a supporter of the 2nd Amendment but we do need some gun control to prevent irresponsible people owning them.
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Gee Tom, maybe there's some question in what exactly happened? Of course, it's always better to arrest first and find the facts later... Social Justice and all.
i guess you haven't listened to the 911 tapes from neighbors reporting what really happened.
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Houston is an interesting place. Everyone has a gun, and everyone drives the speed limit.
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Dick or not, he didn't deserve a gun pointed at him unless he was an immediate threat to the other person's life.
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glad you got out of the situation okay man. There are plenty of lunatics out there. I learned when a guy tried to follow me home. That was the "get-away from psycho" mode that made me move through traffic like I had a reason.

Also, try not to get stuck next to them at stop lights, it often escalates things. I took a right turn at a light I usually don't (puts me in opposite direction I need to go) to get away from said psycho.
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In my opinion the "second amendment" right is one of the stupidest things in the history of the world. I wouldn't trust 90% of Americans with being able to tie their shoelaces properly but allowing them the ability to carry around a weapon (that too concealed) has to be one of the most ridiculous things.
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As crazy as it must have been to get a gun pulled on, I would have still got his license plate and called the police from my cell phone. You wouldn't believe how fast they would come if you called 911 and said there is some guy driving in is car waving a gun at people.
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Also anybody that thinks Zimmerman's actions were justified, probably needs to be lynched with him as well.
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Houston is an interesting place. Everyone has a gun, and everyone drives the speed limit.
It is way too easy to get a gun here, but I'll have to wait to get CHL for one more year since it's 21. And drives speed limit?? I certainly don't But I do my best to avoid OP's situation, I agree with everyone else that a gun pointing at you is never worth it. They should go to the shooting range to get that rage out
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Just as the title says, I was driving home from work today and this guy cuts me off trying to get in the turning lane. I lay on my horn to let the guy know, but he continues on. As a result, I went into the other lane and jumped in front of him. We then came to a stop and eventually turned when the traffic light turned green. He tried to somewhat speed around me so I jump in front of him again to show that I'm not happy about the situation. I then look at him in the side mirror and he's signaling me to pull over (I assume to fight or something). I smile, nod, and proceed with my route. Afterwards, he pulls beside me as we're driving (I had my windows down the entire time since it was a nice day) and start's calling me a "Pu$$y," etc. and I just stated that "You f-ing cut me off." He said something simliar to what he said before and I repeated, "You f-ing cut me off." After doing so, he immediately pulls a gun and points it at me (I was on his driver's side) and said something (I don't remember what he said). Obviously, I freaked the hell out and immediately turned on a side street and was able to take an alternate route home with no issue. I'll be the first to admit that I was a dick and provoked him, but I felt justified at the time since I felt that he was the first offender and it seemed intentional. Because I have perfect 20/20 hindsight, I now realize that it was dumb of me to provoke someone I don't know (especially in Houston). Either way, I can't believe that someone would be that crazy and do something like that because of a petty situation. I'm still somewhat concerned because I was on my daily commute home from work, and, obviously, travel that route very often. However, the other side of me feels that if he was going to shoot me, he would have. I hope I don't run into the guy again, but if I do, I'll keep my distance, grab his license plate number just in case, and remain cordial. Damn, what a day...

If there ever was a country on the planet that needs gun control it's the USA.
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thats cray

Like 5 years ago i was driving with a buddy of mine in our neigborhood, its a big neighbor hoos with a ton of sub divisions in there so theres like a main road, anyways my buddy was lighting some fireworks(like m80s) and throwing them out the window, there was a porsche cayenne not to far behind but whatever we kept doing it lol...

So i get to his sub division and drop him off and the porsche pulls right into his driveway and the dude is waving some silver pistol at him going nuts lol, he probably did it just to scare us but yea, its never fun having a gun pulled on you.
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If there ever was a country on the planet that needs gun control it's the USA.
Then by all means, stay in Canada. Might want to keep an eye on those youth hockey coaches: http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2012/...-sentence.html
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slam on brakes, remember license plate, run away.

Its harder for him to shoot behind him then in front or sideways.

Anyways OP, glad you are ok. Things like that are always scary. I don't understand how some people can get licenses. This bitch cut me off and when I honked at her she immediately braked and went from 40 to 20. Anytime I tried to go around her she would just change lanes and block me.

I was going to floor it and if she hit me it would be her fault, but instead I just took a different route home. People are crazy
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