New Xpipe CEL solution? - Page 4

Singletrack · 03-25-2012, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by talontid

+1 .. I have nothing to gain by sharing my first hand experience. My car was also purchased 100% stock and modded by me.

Also I was a lax goalie for a long time.. Now my knees hurt, lol. But I miss those days. But I still ride my hardtail; not as hardcore as I used to.

Haha - Lax goalie = insane; I would never, especially with the shot velocities now. I play/played attack...left knee, left shoulder, left elbow (hockey actually)...all damaged. But I'm as delusional as Brett Favre, so I'll be back ; )

Yah I built my dream full suspension (but that could still climb), then pushed it super hard for a year and a half and sort of got burnt out. I have my old Schwinn aluminum (pre-buyout) hardtail just sitting there waiting to be restored. The frame is tits - all polished aluminum, but it transmits everything to your body haha : )

Stronghammer · 03-25-2012, 12:11 PM

I believe there are people on this board running a full Innotech exhaust with out a tune and no CEL. Doesn't this imply a mechanical fix ? Maybe the guys from PYSpeed could chime in they have been selling this set up for awile.

persian54 · 03-25-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Stronghammer

I believe there are people on this board running a full Innotech exhaust with out a tune and no CEL. Doesn't this imply a mechanical fix ? Maybe the guys from PYSpeed could chime in they have been selling this set up for awile.

I've heard of people with that system getting a CEL too

Anyways, talontid, I appreciate you sharing what you've experienced etc, but you really helped move this thread OT....

SSRE · 03-25-2012, 01:39 PM

we'll see

Zaw · 03-25-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Baggy_M

Word I got from bms is that the "dp fix" for the M3s is about to be released out of beta testing and should allow readiness as well. Tracking says mine will be here tomorrow and I finally got a CEL today, so ill install tomorrow and report back

Nice, I live 30miles from BMS. I may take a trip out there after you review the dp fix. I saw the install instruction on their website, I wish the install was easier. Let us know how things go.

Raptor251 · 03-25-2012, 04:38 PM

Hey Persian I have a buddy that own a BMW service shop and he has an AutoLogic scan tool. I know it can do all the coding but I'm currently trying to find out if it has the ability to shut the rear O2's off on the S65. I would leave all other programing stock. Do you know anything about that??

persian54 · 03-26-2012, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

Hey Persian I have a buddy that own a BMW service shop and he has an AutoLogic scan tool. I know it can do all the coding but I'm currently trying to find out if it has the ability to shut the rear O2's off on the S65. I would leave all other programing stock. Do you know anything about that??

Nope no idea on that.... but I've heard the AutoLogic can pretty much do "anything" so perhaps???

Rekrul · 03-26-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

Hey Persian I have a buddy that own a BMW service shop and he has an AutoLogic scan tool. I know it can do all the coding but I'm currently trying to find out if it has the ability to shut the rear O2's off on the S65. I would leave all other programing stock. Do you know anything about that??

I think Evolve has got this down. Apparently, one can now pass readiness with their tune.

Malek@MRF · 03-26-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonf20c

when you say 02 sims will not work are you referring to the bms fix the op quoted? i wanted to give it a shot because its a much cheaper solution that the akra delete-r

The BMS unit that is for the N54 motor and the advertised S65 motor is simply a voltage divider circuit with an adjustable potentiometer to vary how much of the voltage is being cut down. You can make one for a few dollars and I can show you how, however it will not work.

Unfortunately, that is not going to work on the S65 motor, as the MSS60 DME looks at more than just the output voltage of the sensor.

The MSS60 is looking for voltages on a completely stock car in the range of 0.35 volts to 0.7 volts. It is also monitoring the latency of this voltage.

The MSD80 MSD81 DME's in the N54 powered cars are strictly looking for a plausible voltage range. On the late 2009+ cars, they tightened this threshold at the factory, and hence the reason BMS released the adjustable version of their "downpipe fix" as their old one which was scaling down the voltage roughly 20% was not sufficient.

The MSS60 DME, if the voltage requirements are not satisfied, we will get the typical code for catalyst inefficiency. If signal speed is not satisfied, we will get a different SES code which can vary from a plethora of codes from signal latency, sensor being stuck, low voltage and etc.

The BMS unit is not an o2 "simulator", it is simply an o2 signal modifier.

SSRE · 03-26-2012, 05:45 PM

huh?

Sean05 · 03-26-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Baggy_M

Installed the BMW fix at lunch today, cleared CEL, I racked about 45 miles so far and so far so good. I'll update in a new thread after I get about 200 miles on her

what do you mean BMW fix?

M3SQRD · 03-26-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean05

what do you mean BMW fix?

I think autocorrect was turned on - "BMW" = "BMS"

SSRE · 03-26-2012, 08:16 PM

not sure

Sean05 · 03-26-2012, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Baggy_M

Yea, sorry bms fix. Trying to rack up miles now. Total about 70 so far, how long does it usually take for the CEL to come on. It was like 30 miles when I did the pipes originally

Well cel shows up from 0-whenever but if you had a cel after driving 30 miles before then i guess this works...

The guys are local to me but installation seems to be a pain

Malek@MRF · 03-26-2012, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean05

Well cel shows up from 0-whenever but if you had a cel after driving 30 miles before then i guess this works...

The guys are local to me but installation seems to be a pain

I have gone over 900 miles on our electronic o2 signal modifier. The codes can still come up at any given time.

SSRE · 03-26-2012, 10:12 PM

not sure

SSRE · 03-27-2012, 01:19 PM

not sure

persian54 · 03-27-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Baggy_M

120 miles so far, no codes, no CEL. I think its doing its job just fine

let us know when you get over 1k

SSRE · 03-27-2012, 06:20 PM

That will probably take some time lol

scalbert · 03-27-2012, 07:07 PM

Also check that all Readiness tests have cleared. While many think they are not getting codes, they are also not passing all OBDII tests. As such, many will not pass local emissions tests.

Malek@MRF · 03-27-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scalbert

Also check that all Readiness tests have cleared. While many think they are not getting codes, they are also not passing all OBDII tests. As such, many will not pass local emissions tests.

Exactly. The catalyst monitors are still probably incomplete, hence the reason these cars are not getting codes yet.

Sometimes these monitors can take a very long time to complete.

Usually the monitors that take the longest to complete are the catalyst and EVAP monitors.

SSRE · 03-27-2012, 08:51 PM

How can I check all that? I just went to an autozone and had them clear the cel after I installed the fix

03-25-2012, 12:11 PM	#68
Stronghammer Lieutenant Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: May 2011 Location: south carolina Posts: 509 iTrader: (0)	I believe there are people on this board running a full Innotech exhaust with out a tune and no CEL. Doesn't this imply a mechanical fix ? Maybe the guys from PYSpeed could chime in they have been selling this set up for awile. __________________ 2011 E92 M3 MR July 11 ED Sept 11 PCD Mods: ESS VT1, MS test pipes, 19 BBS CH-R, Eibach pro springs, Painted reflectors, carbon fiber grills, Painted side markers with dark tinted lenses, 30% tint, Arkym rear diffuser, Innotech axle back exhaust, Performance spoiler

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SSRE Second Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: North East Posts: 246 iTrader: (1)	we'll see Last edited by SSRE; 04-04-2013 at 01:09 PM.

03-26-2012, 05:45 PM	#76
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03-26-2012, 08:16 PM	#79
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03-26-2012, 10:12 PM	#82
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03-25-2012, 04:38 PM	#72
Raptor251 ESS Dreaming Drives: 2011.5 e92 m3/Ford Raptor 6.2 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 871 iTrader: (1)	Hey Persian I have a buddy that own a BMW service shop and he has an AutoLogic scan tool. I know it can do all the coding but I'm currently trying to find out if it has the ability to shut the rear O2's off on the S65. I would leave all other programing stock. Do you know anything about that??

03-27-2012, 01:19 PM	#83
SSRE Second Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: North East Posts: 246 iTrader: (1)	not sure Last edited by SSRE; 04-04-2013 at 01:10 PM.

03-27-2012, 06:20 PM	#85
SSRE Second Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: North East Posts: 246 iTrader: (1)	That will probably take some time lol Last edited by SSRE; 04-04-2013 at 01:35 PM.

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scalbert Major General Drives: '08 E90 M3, '13 Volt, '08 Ody Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Woodstock, GA Posts: 5,634 iTrader: (6)	Also check that all Readiness tests have cleared. While many think they are not getting codes, they are also not passing all OBDII tests. As such, many will not pass local emissions tests.

03-27-2012, 08:51 PM	#88
SSRE Second Lieutenant Drives: M3 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: North East Posts: 246 iTrader: (1)	How can I check all that? I just went to an autozone and had them clear the cel after I installed the fix

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