22'' ADV10TS wheels cracked from the inside out! - Page 9

BlackLight · 03-21-2012, 11:36 AM

is with the medical profession.

Nobody in their right mind will allow a non-certified "doc" to cut them open and re-arrange their parts.

But we are all too eager to allow a person with unchecked credentials to manufacture and sell parts that replace a highly engineered and tested and certified and QC'ed part from a manufacturer with a long history of proper and safe engineering.

the infamous... · 03-21-2012, 12:31 PM

wow, this's better than any movie/tv show.

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ADV.1 Matt

We use MHT's machines to mill and lathe our wheels. We've stated that many times and don't hide from that fact. Many manufacturers use MHT - they produce a significant volume of aftermarket wheels in this country in some way or another.

No you dont. MHT uses MHT's mills and lathes to make wheels for most aftermarket wheels companies. You simply import them to the US and then charge a crazy margin to the customer while offering shitty customer service the entire time. Again, just to be clear, you guys dont own any tooling you simply outsource everything. All I can say is you clowns are lucky this wasnt my broken wheel, OP your way too nice.

tibra1 · 03-21-2012, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by the infamous...

wow, this's better than any movie/tv show.

I rate it up there with Storage Wars

ADV.1 Matt · 03-21-2012, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

No you dont. MHT uses MHT's mills and lathes to make wheels for most aftermarket wheels companies. You simply import them to the US and then charge a crazy margin to the customer while offering shitty customer service the entire time. Again, just to be clear, you guys dont own any tooling you simply outsource everything. All I can say is you clowns are lucky this wasnt my broken wheel, OP your way too nice.

Ummmm no. Feel free to come by the shop anytime...

ADV.1 CALIFORNIA
19200 S REYES AVE
EAST RANCHO DOMINGUEZ, CA 90221

db71 · 03-21-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ADV.1 Matt

The official Triangle response.

Lets look at this response.

1. Dated yesterday saying they will move up production to get this produced. The OP said this started Feb 2nd

2. Nowhere does triangle take responsibility in fact they say they are working with your team to resolve issues related to this. Which if it was a heat treating failure they would have said that.

3. I'm sure as with any supplier that if you stock inventory or order a quantity of parts they will get right on the order. Not try to order 1 part.

Along with the the theory the bolts were at an angle which it seems by triangles response that this could be plausible. They could of also been over torqued which would cause the cracking.

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ADV.1 Matt

Ummmm no. Feel free to come by the shop anytime...

ADV.1 CALIFORNIA
19200 S REYES AVE
EAST RANCHO DOMINGUEZ, CA 90221

So what kinda of tooling do you have there? Are you trying to say your wheels are CnC'd in the US??

THE TECH · 03-21-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

So what kinda of tooling do you have there? Are you trying to say your wheels are CnC'd in the US??

Well the odd part is the address they gave is MHT's address. Google maps also lists them at that address.

Singletrack · 03-21-2012, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

So what kinda of tooling do you have there? Are you trying to say your wheels are CnC'd in the US??

Dude, you look like an ass. Their wheels are made in the US by MHT at that address...as they have repeatedly stated. Whether they lease machines in whole, or just specific time, is irrelevant.

ADV.1 Matt · 03-21-2012, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

So what kinda of tooling do you have there? Are you trying to say your wheels are CnC'd in the US??

Well yes, because they are?

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Originally Posted by THE TECH

Well the odd part is the address they gave is MHT's address.

Correct - we have a separate part of the warehouse at MHT's facility dedicated to ADV.1 production/assembly.

http://www.adv1wheels.com/blog/adv-1...ction-facilty/

We posted this up awhile back - it's on our blog - it's not exactly as if we have ever hidden this fact. But production is in Cali. Period. End of story.

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

Dude, you look like an ass. Their wheels are made in the US by MHT at that address...as they have repeatedly stated. Whether they lease machines in whole, or just specific time, is irrelevant.

My point is they are not making their own wheels they are rebranding others.
And why do I look like an ass? Do you own a set of ADV's you are trying to justify? Hell I would too if I got taken for $7K lol

THE TECH · 03-21-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ADV.1 Matt

Well yes, because they are?

Correct - we have a separate part of the warehouse at MHT's facility dedicated to ADV.1 production/assembly.

http://www.adv1wheels.com/blog/adv-1...ction-facilty/

We posted this up awhile back - it's on our blog - it's not exactly as if we have ever hidden this fact. But production is in Cali. Period. End of story.

Well, to be fair, the pics prove powdercoating and assembly of wheels and nothing more.

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ADV.1 Matt

Well yes, because they are?

Correct - we have a separate part of the warehouse at MHT's facility dedicated to ADV.1 production/assembly.

http://www.adv1wheels.com/blog/adv-1...ction-facilty/

We posted this up awhile back - it's on our blog - it's not exactly as if we have ever hidden this fact. But production is in Cali. Period. End of story.

Cool, but the wheels are made by MHT through whom you have a contract?

Singletrack · 03-21-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

My point is they are not making their own wheels they are rebranding others.
And why do I look like an ass? Do you own a set of ADV's you are trying to justify? Hell I would too if I got taken for $7K lol

No they aren't others designs, which is why you look like an ass.

They have designs which they send to a facility capable of making them. They are ADV.1 designs.

No I don't own a set of ADV.1s but I do have a set of Vorsteiner wheels on order for my X5, made by the exact same company - MHT. MHT makes a HUGE percentage of the wheels made in this country and they have a great reputation.

I don't know where people come up with this shit...

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

No they aren't others designs, which is why you look like an ass.

They have designs which they send to a facility capable of making them. They are ADV.1 designs.

No I don't own a set of ADV.1s but I do have a set of Vorsteiner wheels on order for my X5, made by the exact same company - MHT. MHT makes a HUGE percentage of the wheels made in this country and they have a great reputation.

I don't know where people come up with this shit...

What shit? ADV is a shady company that struggles to build a reliable wheel and seems to have a lot of internal problems.

db71 · 03-21-2012, 01:31 PM

They rent space in MHT's building and the wheels are machined on MHT's machines. They can walk out of there part of the facility at any given moment and see what is being machined.

I think attacking the issue that they do not machine there own wheels is a dead horse. HRE although they machine there own centers does not manufacture the rim halves or make the raw forging. But they carry a large inventory so if there is an issue like this it can be handled quickly.

The issue here is WHY the failure and how it is handled.

Is the failure due to an engineering issue?

Why does it take so long to recieve a replacement part and could this process moved along faster with a order for more than 1 or 2 parts.

Singletrack · 03-21-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

What shit? ADV is a shady company that struggles to build a reliable wheel and seems to have a lot of internal problems.

You said they didn't CNC them in the US and re-branded other wheel designs. Since I've shown that you were full of shit and had no idea what you were talking about, now you will attempt to change the argument. You are totally transparent and out of line.

Moderators should clean up this crap.

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by db71

They rent space in MHT's building and the wheels are machined on MHT's machines. They can walk out of there part of the facility at any given moment and see what is being machined.

I think attacking the issue that they do not machine there own wheels is a dead horse. HRE although they machine there own centers does not manufacture the rim halves or make the raw forging. But they carry a large inventory so if there is an issue like this it can be handled quickly.

The issue here is WHY the failure and how it is handled.

Is the failure due to an engineering issue?

Why does it take so long to recieve a replacement part and could this process moved along faster with a order for more than 1 or 2 parts.

This is exactly my point, if they were a serious wheels company they could easily address these issues.

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

You said they didn't CNC them in the US and re-branded other wheel designs. Since I've shown that you were full of shit and had no idea what you were talking about, now you will attempt to change the argument. You are totally transparent and out of line.

Moderators should clean up this crap.

Until you can prove me 100% wrong I'm not convinced. And If they truly design their own wheels then well...time for a real engineer??

Singletrack · 03-21-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor251

Until you can prove me 100% wrong I'm not convinced. And If they truly design their own wheels then well...time for a real engineer??

Please stop, it's getting pathetic.

Raptor251 · 03-21-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Singletrack

Please stop, it's getting pathetic.

Well can you prove that 100% of the design was done in house? Do you work for ADV?

ADV.1 Matt · 03-21-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by THE TECH

Well, to be fair, the pics prove powdercoating and assembly of wheels and nothing more.

But the link to the blog showing the MHT production floor should?

http://www.adv1wheels.com/blog/adv-1...ction-facilty/

Raptor - Jordan design the entire wheel line - he also has been contracted out to design other brands designs for them as well. We create every design in house. I'm not quite sure how we're re-branding other peoples wheels? Do we contract out machine time from MHT to build our wheels? Yes. So does everyone else?

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db71 Private First Class Drives: 10 Audi S5 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: IL Posts: 100 iTrader: (0)	They rent space in MHT's building and the wheels are machined on MHT's machines. They can walk out of there part of the facility at any given moment and see what is being machined. I think attacking the issue that they do not machine there own wheels is a dead horse. HRE although they machine there own centers does not manufacture the rim halves or make the raw forging. But they carry a large inventory so if there is an issue like this it can be handled quickly. The issue here is WHY the failure and how it is handled. Is the failure due to an engineering issue? Why does it take so long to recieve a replacement part and could this process moved along faster with a order for more than 1 or 2 parts.