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      06-20-2012, 02:24 PM   #45
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People who discount comfort do not live in a major city. Sitting in traffic with racing seats, no A/C or radio, during the summer is not feeling alive. It's hell.
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      06-20-2012, 02:28 PM   #46
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GT3 is a much better performer than our M3, really is night and day. You just need to learn to drive it in the style a 911 should be driven and it is truly the most rewarding car you will ever drive and once you do learn to drive it, the times will be extremely fast on the track. I dont think Ive personally ever driven a car that pulls as hard to redline and in the upper end of the rpm range (but thats all GT3s to be honest). It makes the way our M3s or Ferraris (or any other high revving NA engine) pull upper end seem weak in comparison.
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      06-20-2012, 09:38 PM   #47
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Sorry to bring up a old thread but I'm kind of in this dilemma now

I love the m3 but recenty I bought a exige s for track instead of making the m3 abit more track/street, now I don't really like driving the m3 as it's too comfortable and soft feeling. I know there totally different but I guess I do prefer cars to be hard and uncomfortable now my backs been ok

So I was thinking of fitting bucket seats, club sport suspension and better brakes etc on the m3 sooner than planned so I would enjoy it again, however by the time it's done, cost wise its not far too from getting a 997.1 gt3( a year ago I would have definitely modified it but having spent crazy money in the pass I do like the idea of getting cars that only needs a hand ful of things or less now) I'd still keep the rear seats in the m3 so Itd still be practical.

So what I want to know I guess is, will the m3 give the gt3 a run for it's money with the mods on track and will it give that much more raw feel im looking for or will it still be too soft?

I know no one can answer this for me but just a few more opinions on this might help my decision.


Thanks
Btw, it is possible to put rear seats in the back... I think a few people have done it on the 997.1...

I wouldn't mod a M3 to compete with GT3, I would just get a GT3, especially with 997.1 is much more civilized on the streets than the 996
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      06-21-2012, 04:09 AM   #48
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lol seriously..
Bunch of babies always complaining about daily driving.

I want something to rip my spine out when driving to/from the grocery store.
ha ha, true! Me too!

GT3RS is the KING of the Ring (as we say in germany, regarding nurburgring).

I would sell a kidney to have one... it is awesome! I have been a copilot in GT3 with full bolt ons, carbon ceramic brakes, and that car just eats nurburgring, it is as if there is an invisible rail on nurburgring that is made specifically for the gt3.
You will be fine daily driving it (as long as you have normal roads around you).

now, you can also shell out for GT2
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      06-21-2012, 04:53 AM   #49
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So much GT3 leg-humping. Maybe it's the name, or perhaps the lack of availability that has so many people blushing. The car is hot. No question. But again, the 911 Turbo will dismantle the GT3. The Turbo is faster, AWD, and far superior as a day-to-day car.
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So much GT3 leg-humping. Maybe it's the name, or perhaps the lack of availability that has so many people blushing. The car is hot. No question. But again, the 911 Turbo will dismantle the GT3. The Turbo is faster, AWD, and far superior as a day-to-day car.
Have you driven one?

They are the single best driver's car in the world (along with Cayman/Boxster) and also one of the most fun and rewarding cars to drive.
The 911 turbo is a better car day to day, and yes, a novice will likely be faster in a turbo than a GT3 but equal drivers the GT3 will best a 911 turbo anywhere. Look at the track times. Plus how can you argue with what is the best 6 cylinder engine ever built and one of the best engines ever built overall. The Mezger engine has been proven and won more than ANY other engine ever in motorsport history.
There is a reason the Germans call the GT3 the best Ring car in the world.
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So much GT3 leg-humping. Maybe it's the name, or perhaps the lack of availability that has so many people blushing. The car is hot. No question. But again, the 911 Turbo will dismantle the GT3. The Turbo is faster, AWD, and far superior as a day-to-day car.
u crazy man...


Yea, in straight line the turbo will win, but you start taking turns and it's a different story. GT3 is a drivers car, rear wheel drive and veeery few nanies.
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So much GT3 leg-humping. Maybe it's the name, or perhaps the lack of availability that has so many people blushing. The car is hot. No question. But again, the 911 Turbo will dismantle the GT3. The Turbo is faster, AWD, and far superior as a day-to-day car.
GT2 is also more expensive, I think the allure of the GT3 also resides in it's attainability.
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Have you driven one?

They are the single best driver's car in the world (along with Cayman/Boxster) and also one of the most fun and rewarding cars to drive.
The 911 turbo is a better car day to day, and yes, a novice will likely be faster in a turbo than a GT3 but equal drivers the GT3 will best a 911 turbo anywhere. Look at the track times. Plus how can you argue with what is the best 6 cylinder engine ever built and one of the best engines ever built overall. The Mezger engine has been proven and won more than ANY other engine ever in motorsport history.
There is a reason the Germans call the GT3 the best Ring car in the world.
Uh, the best ring car in the world is the Yellow Bird. You may have a point but, the better package for what a consumer needs is the 911 Turbo. I think the GT3's rarity is it biggest selling point. There is nothing in the GT3 you can't get out of the 911 Turbo but, flip that and it's skewed toward the 911 Turbo.
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p.s. don't get me wrong, I would love to have a turbo as well.... but if we are talking bad boy car, GT3 is the beast.

or how about GT3RS 4.0 saw couple on the ring...
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      06-21-2012, 09:09 AM   #55
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GT2 is also more expensive, I think the allure of the GT3 also resides in it's attainability.
I think ya'll on different page

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      06-21-2012, 12:45 PM   #56
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Uh, the best ring car in the world is the Yellow Bird. You may have a point but, the better package for what a consumer needs is the 911 Turbo. I think the GT3's rarity is it biggest selling point. There is nothing in the GT3 you can't get out of the 911 Turbo but, flip that and it's skewed toward the 911 Turbo.
Dont get me wrong, I think the turbo/turbo S are the two single best all around cars in the world that provide hypercar performance and handling flat out if you dont need a backseat. If you do need a backseat, the Panamera turbo/turbo S is the best all around 4 door sedan king IMO.
In the GT3 you get one of, if not the best, high revving NA engine in the world at any given time, which cannot be had in a turbo. While the GT3 is far more than an engine, it is a substantial difference than the turbo not to mention only being RWD, better steering, lighter. The differences are pretty substantial when you really think about it.
Ultimately, the 911 turbo is more of a road car you can track whereas the GT3 is a race car that has been adapted to be a road car.
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      06-26-2012, 08:27 PM   #57
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sold my 2007 turbo and bought a 2010 gt3. I would never go back.
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      06-26-2012, 09:31 PM   #58
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How easy/fun is it to drive the GT3 sideways? How does it compare to the M3 in terms of sideways fun? I realize that the rear engine layout is not the most conducive to this, but would still like to hear some owners' opinions.
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      06-26-2012, 10:45 PM   #59
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I was thinking about this topic the other day if a GT3RS was practical for DD. I was thinking of trading my M3 for a GT3RS but it seems like a lot of people don't DD their GT3RS... or maybe they do and not Seattle.
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Gt3 is perfect for DD as long as you figure out the brake squeal (mine were the loudest I've ever heard, drove me nuts) and the front lift kit. No other car I would rather have as long as what I mentioned is dealt with.
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Gt3 is perfect for DD as long as you figure out the brake squeal (mine were the loudest I've ever heard, drove me nuts) and the front lift kit. No other car I would rather have as long as what I mentioned is dealt with.
You have the big red's or the ceramics?
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How easy/fun is it to drive the GT3 sideways? .


It's pretty easy and of course it's loads of fun.
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It's pretty easy and of course it's loads of fun.
No its not!! The M3 is way easier to drift than the GT3! The GT3 has a tendency for lift off oversteer, from which is difficult to maintain a drift. Power oversteer comes with lots of throttle imput and difficult (for me) to maintain. The M3 is so much easier. My expereince with the GT3RS is that I can correct understeer with minimal lift of, i can correct lift off oversteer with throttle and countersteer, but if I am in a power oversteer situation in the dry I had it! Spin out 8/10. With the M3 I can get it back easier.
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No its not!! The M3 is way easier to drift than the GT3! The GT3 has a tendency for lift off oversteer, from which is difficult to maintain a drift. Power oversteer comes with lots of throttle imput and difficult (for me) to maintain. The M3 is so much easier. My expereince with the GT3RS is that I can correct understeer with minimal lift of, i can correct lift off oversteer with throttle and countersteer, but if I am in a power oversteer situation in the dry I had it! Spin out 8/10. With the M3 I can get it back easier.
Can you comment a little more on the differences between driving the M3 and GT3 on the track? I've heard that driving a GT3 (or any 911) is a little more difficult at the limits. Would you say that's true?
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Based on what I've seen at the track, the 996 GT3 will not be necessarily faster than the M3 in the hands of a regular driver. It doesn't strike me as a true performance upgrade.

It is a much more interactive car for sure, but personally I would have a hard time convincing myself to spend so much money on something that is not faster.

Why not an Exige Cup, or an Atom, Caterham etc, if only for a track car?
I'm sorry but this is so wrong it's ridiculous lol. A lot of 996's are slow as sh*t at DE's because they are so so difficult to drive. On the street letting off in that car is no lie like a second turn in, on the track it is a spin...
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