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      02-27-2012, 03:11 PM   #1
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I know I saw some info about this on here not too long ago, but I thought I'd provide an update. I was on the phone with Scott from Dinan today asking him about maxing the negative camber on my Dinan Stage III suspension. He mentioned that their new coilover system for the E9x M3 will be available in the next 60 days. It retains the stock EDC struts/shocks, so EDC remains functional, but the setup is reportedly more "track-focused" than their current Stage II/III suspension, without being harsh on the street like other coilovers may be.

I'm sure it will be expensive...
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Interesting...sounds like it might be similar to the GC and KW sleeve over kits, though.
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"retains stock shocks"

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I know I saw some info about this on here not too long ago, but I thought I'd provide an update. I was on the phone with Scott from Dinan today asking him about maxing the negative camber on my Dinan Stage III suspension. He mentioned that their new coilover system for the E9x M3 will be available in the next 60 days. It retains the stock EDC struts/shocks, so EDC remains functional, but the setup is reportedly more "track-focused" than their current Stage II/III suspension, without being harsh on the street like other coilovers may be.

I'm sure it will be expensive...
Wonder if it is warranty friendly..
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paradocs98: I'm interested in hearing more about the Dinan Coilover. Please keep us posted. Also, I'm interested in knowing what did Scott say about max'ing the camber on the Dinan Stage III?
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Dinan haters gonna hate. I personally thought my Dinan stg3 suspension was the best mod I've ever done on an e92 M. Anyone who hates Dinan has most likely never used their products. Just remember you get what you pay for and Dinan is a perfect example of that
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Dinan haters gonna hate. I personally thought my Dinan stg3 suspension was the best mod I've ever done on an e92 M. Anyone who hates Dinan has most likely never used their products. Just remember you get what you pay for and Dinan is a perfect example of that
And you know this...man Here's the other thread so let's all wait together.....Phil

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paradocs98: I'm interested in hearing more about the Dinan Coilover. Please keep us posted. Also, I'm interested in knowing what did Scott say about max'ing the camber on the Dinan Stage III?
To my surprise, Scott said that the installation instructions for the Stage III call for the stock locating pins at the top of the strut towers to be removed. I had been under the impression that the pins were left in place, and that by my removing them in the future I could get even more negative camber. The shop that did my installation set the camber at -1.8 front/-1.7 rear, which is Dinan's recommended street/track compromise setting. I had planned on taking my car back to the shop in a few weeks for a repeat alignment with pin pulling and maxing negative camber in the front, so I'll confirm then whether or not the pins have already been pulled.

In any case, Scott said that there are individual variations between cars, but I could expect maybe -2.2 to -2.4 out of the front.
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I ran the stg 3 with no pins and -2.0 up front... it was an amazing street/track compromise!
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To my surprise, Scott said that the installation instructions for the Stage III call for the stock locating pins at the top of the strut towers to be removed. I had been under the impression that the pins were left in place, and that by my removing them in the future I could get even more negative camber. The shop that did my installation set the camber at -1.8 front/-1.7 rear, which is Dinan's recommended street/track compromise setting. I had planned on taking my car back to the shop in a few weeks for a repeat alignment with pin pulling and maxing negative camber in the front, so I'll confirm then whether or not the pins have already been pulled.

In any case, Scott said that there are individual variations between cars, but I could expect maybe -2.2 to -2.4 out of the front.
Thanks for this info: You have tracked on your set up right? Would you say you would need more camber? Sorry to go OT, PM me if you would prefer.

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I ran the stg 3 with no pins and -2.0 up front... it was an amazing street/track compromise!
Agreed! However what are your thoughts about the adjustable camber plates currently available? Therefore allowing your vericle to have two perfect worlds. Thanks for your thoughts - I'm deciding on my suspension upgrade for this track season. Sorry to go OT, PM me if you would prefer.
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I know I saw some info about this on here not too long ago, but I thought I'd provide an update. I was on the phone with Scott from Dinan today asking him about maxing the negative camber on my Dinan Stage III suspension. He mentioned that their new coilover system for the E9x M3 will be available in the next 60 days. It retains the stock EDC struts/shocks, so EDC remains functional, but the setup is reportedly more "track-focused" than their current Stage II/III suspension, without being harsh on the street like other coilovers may be.

I'm sure it will be expensive...

Just talked to Scott, he was very helpful and informative. Dinan expects their EDC Coilover kit to be available in less than a month.
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Dinan expects their EDC Coilover kit to be available in less than a month.
Same info I'm getting from my contact.....price might be heavy though I should now more next week...........Phil
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Interested to see what Dinan does with the EDC shocks. IMO, you would have to play with the EDC settings to compensate for the spring rate changes (increased I would imagine)...then I think you would see a significant improvement.

I would like to know if Dinan plans to release some custom valved Koni's like they have for most other non-EDC models.

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I ran the stg 3 with no pins and -2.0 up front... it was an amazing street/track compromise!
Without getting too off-topic...that's exactly what the dinan plates are...a compromise. The other parts, yes, I get it. What's the point of more front camber for the street? Basically its too much for the street and not enough for the track...its NEVER right.

Plus, the big advantage of camber plates is that you can dial in more camber AND toe out for the track and then dial out the toe and decrease camber for the street.
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^ Dinan said their new EDC Coilover has been tested with an adjustable camber plate. This would be interesting if adjustable camber plates were included in the kit.
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If it comes with adjustable camber plates then it will be very similar to what GC already offers and TCK is about to release. I do understand why people want to maintain EDC functionality but, IMO, it's a huge compromise if you are thinking about tracking your car. Like bigjae1976 has already stated the damping characteristics of the EDC struts/shocks really needs to be altered to handle proper dual-purpose spring rates. There are better dual-purpose suspension options out there, although you'll lose EDC. BTW, I have noting against Dinan - these comments apply to all sleeve-over kits.
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If it comes with adjustable camber plates then it will be very similar to what GC already offers and TCK is about to release. I do understand why people want to maintain EDC functionality but, IMO, it's a huge compromise if you are thinking about tracking your car. Like bigjae1976 has already stated the damping characteristics of the EDC struts/shocks really needs to be altered to handle proper dual-purpose spring rates. There are better dual-purpose suspension options out there, although you'll lose EDC. BTW, I have noting against Dinan - these comments apply to all sleeve-over kits.
IF Dinan is able to recalibrate the EDC dampers using software...that would be brilliant and well worth the Dinan premium.

Not sure about how the EDC shocks work so not sure if that is possible.
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IF Dinan is able to recalibrate the EDC dampers using software...that would be brilliant and well worth the Dinan premium.

Not sure about how the EDC shocks work so not sure if that is possible.
Here's what Jay from GC has already stated about revalving EDC dampers:

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...9&postcount=12

Basically it wouldn't be worth it...
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Interesting.....Scott at Dinan said the ZCP EDC settings and shocks were very good. I may have misunderstood him but I believe he said they (Dinan) decided to leave them alone when developing their newest kit.

dbarnes: I understand your comments about sleeve-over kits so please help educate me, what would be the process of adjusting the coilover setting? Follow up question: I understand Coilover kits can be harsh. (Sorry to go OT, you can PM me if you wish)

For clarity, I am not a Dinan Fan nor do I have anything against them, I'm just trying to understand how I can obtain more mechanical grip at the track. Last year my new SC was overpowering the suspension and tires making my track time more frustrating than fun.

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dbarnes: I understand your comments about sleeve-over kits so please help educate me, what would be the process of adjusting the coilover setting? Follow up question: I understand Coilover kits can be harsh. (Sorry to go OT, you can PM me if you wish)

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Interesting.....Scott at Dinan said the ZCP EDC settings and shocks were very good. I may have misunderstood him but I believe he said they (Dinan) decided to leave them alone when developing their newest kit.


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I just dont understand these types of comments.

It doesnt matter if they are good quality or not. If you drop the car significantly, you need to shorten the shocks and struts accordingly.

Not doing so is a half ass solution, bottom line and needs to be priced as such.
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I just dont understand these types of comments.

It doesnt matter if they are good quality or not. If you drop the car significantly, you need to shorten the shocks and struts accordingly.

Not doing so is a half ass solution, bottom line and needs to be priced as such.
So I assume this would be the same for any springs then? Even Eibach would cause an issue regarding the stock Shocks and Struts. I'm only asking because I was planning on buying some Eibach springs. Every time I think I made up my mind I get confused. It seems like nobody can ever agree on what is a good option.
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So I assume this would be the same for any springs then? Even Eibach would cause an issue regarding the stock Shocks and Struts. I'm only asking because I was planning on buying some Eibach springs. Every time I think I made up my mind I get confused. It seems like nobody can ever agree on what is a good option.
sort of.

eibach springs are ok (i have them) because the spring rates are similar to stock, but more importantly, the drop is very very mild. The same can be said for Dinan springs. This is why both setups ride very similar to stock, with a small reduction of body roll and a little better turn in provided you have good tires.

The springs with lower drops, like H and R, do not ride as well as these setups for that very reason.

The reason I think the coilver setup up is BS without matching shocks and struts is because i dont know what the difference would be from springs alone? Maybe height adjustment? Well all that is is adding a spring perch to kit.

A true coilver system includes matching springs, shocks and struts. Like KW, like TCK, like AST, like Bistein....

This dinan setup, if the comments in this thread are true about their upcoming product, is a half ass solution, which is ok, unless it is marketed as a true coilover at coilover prices.

For street purposes, and mild track use, the eibach springs are great. I think the ride quality is identical to stock, just a slight increase in "bounce" over larger bumps, but nothing worth crying about.
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