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      01-12-2012, 12:32 AM   #1
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Talking HELP ESS 535 vt1 Will i be satisfied?

I have searched numerous forums and threads, everyone seems to love their supercharger but since i have no first hand experience i dont know what to expect. My DCT M3 is basically fully modded performance wise, full catless exhaust with ess tune, rpi scoops, BMC filter, no pulleys. The car performs great, im looking into the 535 kit for budget reasons and my only concern is if this will make the car feel completely different and will i get bored of the kit and need more?
One other thing is im not planning to change up my wheels and getting a bigger kit means traction issues, so i think the 535 kit will suffice. Would love more input tho .

Can someone please describe how THE supercharger 535 VT1 kit:
Sounds? i would prefer the whine of the SC
0 to 60 torque?
do they feel like they need more power?
do they use the car as a DD or track/ toy car?
Also their Gauge setups and is it something that is DIYable.
What Hp/TQ should i Expect? i should be around +450hp with my mods currently

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      01-12-2012, 02:20 AM   #2
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if its an easy upgrade then take your time.

if its not then got with the high output
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      01-12-2012, 07:20 AM   #3
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You will be very satisfied for a few weeks or even a few months. The power improvement is significant and the value is excellent bang for the buck.

But a centrifugal supercharger delivers power in a very gradual and predictable manner. Especially a very low boost centrifugal like the VT535. If you get 5 psi peak boost at 8300 rpm, you will get around 2 psi boost at 4000 rpm. Most people get used to it and want more. You are probably one of those people given that you have all the bolt on mods for your car now. This is why there are several intercooled options. You can get more out of the nonintercooled version with a smaller blower pulley for slightly more boost and a water/meth injection system like Vishnu sells with a retune, but ESS probably will not support this so you should decide whether you want to go that route.

Once you get the boost up on a centrifugal, particularly on an engine with enough displacement to already make good low end torque, the combination works pretty well. On a smaller displacement engine or on an engine like the S54 or S65 that is low torque and high revving, you will never get really satisfying torque but the car will be fast if you wind it out and with the DCT that is fairly effortless.

ESS has a great reputation and I would certainly consider an ESS system. But VFE was offering an intercooled system at a very good price recently and the dragstrip and VBOX results are nothing short of excellent. Might be worth spending the extra money up front for the intercooled version if you can afford it.
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      01-12-2012, 08:31 AM   #4
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Since your car is a DCT, the 535 kit delivers strong power vs a 6mt. Sound is going to be very similar to what you have now with a very faint whine. Centrifugal blowers do not make the "whine" that root blowers do, especially with low boost applications. You should make high 400's with a catless setup on a dynojet. ESS admits the 535 kit is underrated relative to other kits. As far as performance, up to 80mph approx you will be just as fast as any other kit if not faster because your tires will hook up better. I have 75 plus runs at the strip against a 625 6mt and AA stage2 plus meth and came out ahead up to 100. Do I want more, yes but that's just my personality. Mike at VAC with his VFE ran 10.6 at 129. I ran 11.6 at 122 on stock PS2's. With DR's its a low 11 second car. It's a big jump over what you have. I would start with the 535 because you can always upgrade. ESS uses the same blower for all applications. You would add new intake, injectors, pulley and tune.

Where in NY are you? Im in northern NJ. As long as we get no snow and the first salting doesn't occur, I'll take you out for a ride
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      01-12-2012, 11:44 AM   #5
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from experience with the 335i i would say " you wont b satisfied until you have 450+ ft lbs of tq ",

Hp sells cars an torque wins races, It also gives enthusiast's a woody lol. Once you have alot of tourqe you will b happy.

An as you know it takes alot to get a good amount of tourqe out of the M, But thats just straight line performance, I think if you get the 535 kit on the track you would be more then happy.
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from experience with the 335i i would say " you wont b satisfied until you have 450+ ft lbs of tq ",

Hp sells cars an torque wins races, It also gives enthusiast's a woody lol. Once you have alot of tourqe you will b happy.

An as you know it takes alot to get a good amount of tourqe out of the M, But thats just straight line performance, I think if you get the 535 kit on the track you would be more then happy.
Really? Torque does NOT win races, horsepower does (and I'm referring to a roll not from a dig). Take any FBO+meth 335 with 450+wtq and run it against 1SICKM's VT1-535 kit (trapping 125) from ANY speed and the 335 will lose everytime - the M3 is a torqueless monster.

OP to answer your question dont waste your time with the 535 kit. It's a great bang for your buck for a nice bump in power, but youll wind up wanting to upgrade after driving a higher level intercooled kit.

(Then after driving an Alpha GTR, FI Z06, or Promotive 911, etc... youll get sick of the M3 and think its slow.) What I'm trying to say is there's no such thing as enough power, and your original plan of buying the 535 kit and staying at that level will go out the window after a couple weeks/months. I say go with the intercooled 625 or 650 kit and call it a day, just do it right from the beginning
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Since your car is a DCT, the 535 kit delivers strong power vs a 6mt. Sound is going to be very similar to what you have now with a very faint whine. Centrifugal blowers do not make the "whine" that root blowers do, especially with low boost applications. You should make high 400's with a catless setup on a dynojet. ESS admits the 535 kit is underrated relative to other kits. As far as performance, up to 80mph approx you will be just as fast as any other kit if not faster because your tires will hook up better. I have 75 plus runs at the strip against a 625 6mt and AA stage2 plus meth and came out ahead up to 100. Do I want more, yes but that's just my personality. Mike at VAC with his VFE ran 10.6 at 129. I ran 11.6 at 122 on stock PS2's. With DR's its a low 11 second car. It's a big jump over what you have. I would start with the 535 because you can always upgrade. ESS uses the same blower for all applications. You would add new intake, injectors, pulley and tune.

Where in NY are you? Im in northern NJ. As long as we get no snow and the first salting doesn't occur, I'll take you out for a ride
+1, the major difference between the 535 kit and the intercooled versions is predominantly over 100mph once the car starts stretching its legs
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Really? Torque does NOT win races, horsepower does (and I'm referring to a roll not from a dig). Take any FBO+meth 335 with 450+wtq and run it against 1SICKM's VT1-535 kit (trapping 125) from ANY speed and the 335 will lose everytime - the M3 is a torqueless monster.

OP to answer your question dont waste your time with the 535 kit. It's a great bang for your buck for a nice bump in power, but youll wind up wanting to upgrade after driving a higher level intercooled kit.

(Then after driving an Alpha GTR, FI Z06, or Promotive 911, etc... youll get sick of the M3 and think its slow.) What I'm trying to say is there's no such thing as enough power, and your original plan of buying the 535 kit and staying at that level will go out the window after a couple weeks/months. I say go with the intercooled 625 or 650 kit and call it a day, just do it right from the beginning


iam referring to butt dyno more then actual performance numbers . Tourqe is what maks a car feel powerful . Iam sure th bigger kits ar faster past 100 but for the most part " unless your trying to break a standing mile record", Iam confident saying the 535 kit will suit his "wants".

But who am i to say what he will be good with, You need to ride in a boosted e9x M to see bro.
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Really? Torque does NOT win races, horsepower does (and I'm referring to a roll not from a dig). Take any FBO+meth 335 with 450+wtq and run it against 1SICKM's VT1-535 kit (trapping 125) from ANY speed and the 335 will lose everytime - the M3 is a torqueless monster.)
Not starting a war but just wanted to comment on your ignorance. Hotrod is not FBO and traps 125+ although id rather have the s/c m3 lol.
with nitrous: 11.33 @ 132.77 mph

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like other people have said, it will be fun but you will always want more. before the M had a sti, told myself the power over a wrx would be enough. said the same thing after turbo back and couple other bolt-ons and a tune. then again after a 20g turbo upgrade putting down 350whp, then a 30r turbo upgrade making 390whp, then a built motor and fully built cosworth heads and cams making 430whp, then i still wanted to add meth injection and maybe a bigger turbo

main reason I got the m3 over a 335 or 135, was because having a turbo application its easy to make more power and was hoping I would be ok with just adding a exhaust, intake and a tune to the M. wouldn't mind going supercharged but know that I would want to keep going bigger and bigger. only thing that makes you realize that you have more than enough power than what you really need is to do some track days. I'm looking to pick up a e30 or 36 325 and start up doing spec e30 or spec3, still fast enough, fun, and can put it into a wall and not worry about it too much, compared to if I was to do the same with the e92.

If in the back of your mind your thinking its not going to be enough, then its not. It'll be fun for a while then you'll want more. My recommendation is do it "right" (aka go big) the first time and save the money from having to upgrade it a few months down the road
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Not starting a war but just wanted to comment on your ignorance. Hotrod is not FBO and traps 125+ although id rather have the s/c m3 lol.
with nitrous: 11.33 @ 132.77 mph

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commenting on my ignorance? I came from the N54 scene and set the record for the fastest FBO+meth XI in the country. Everyone and their mother knows Hotrod's times CANNOT and WILL NOT be replicated by ANYONE. Your ignorant for believing that a "non FBO 335" can trap 125+, the fastest 335 around here trapped 127 and that was on upgraded turbos, stripped interior, and on race trim. A FBO 335 on meth and race trim is lucky to break 120 around here. Please go back to the 335 forum and further educate yourself before you come on here telling people who know alot more about you in this scene that they are ignorant.
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commenting on my ignorance? I came from the N54 scene and set the record for the fastest FBO+meth XI in the country. Hotrod's times CANNOT and WILL NOT be replicated by ANYONE. Your ignorant for believing that a "non FBO 335" can trap 125+, the fastest 335 around here trapped 127 and that was on upgraded turbos, stripped interior, and on race trim. A FBO 335 on meth and race trim is lucky to break 120 around here. Please go back to the 335 forum and further educate yourself before you come on here telling people who know alot more about you in this scene that they are ignorant.
you said any 335i so I decided to show you one, dont get so butthurt :*
also it can be replicated
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...&highlight=125
edit: nvm im guessing thats what you were talking about, upped turbos and stuff

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I was wondering the same thing. Expectations from the "butt dyno". Judging by what people are saying it wont "feel" all that much faster, but it will be (obviously).

Probably feel more like Scuderia fast, not 911 turbo fast.
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HREM3, you make a solid point, it also seems to me like the car will become very fast but not "feel" super fast. The only way to feel super fast would be to go BIG
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HREM3, you make a solid point, it also seems to me like the car will become very fast but not "feel" super fast. The only way to feel super fast would be to go BIG
Please explain what you mean by this? Are you
saying a catless 535 dct is not 911 turbo fast?

At the end of the day, do what's best for you. Understand this, jumping into *a 625kit with no experience with that kind of power is not smart (not saying you dont). If you can get a used kit, do it and upgrade after your comfortable. I was in CJ's car from Autocoure (625 hybrid kit/DCT) *and up to 80 it felt very close to mine. Above that it's an animal... Significantly faster.*
There's a video on here of a 535 vs 625 from a roll. After 100 he gets walked hard. I'll end with this, have you been in a supercharged m3?
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i havent been in a supercharged M3 and im sure if i did, i would jump on it.. What seems to be the conscious of most people is that you will want more power later and i think it probably because the torque isnt satisfying enough at 535 stage kit. ofcourse i have no real experience and am just stating my opinion.
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... Your not gaining much more noticeable torque in the 625! Low compression build....yes. Our displacement doesn't lend itself to torque..
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yes i know, turbo charged on the other hand would work. Maybe one day theyll be kit for that haha
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Would you recommend a differential change before the supercharger or vice versa?
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