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      02-21-2012, 08:53 AM   #1
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Toe In, Toe Out, or Zero Toe?

Hi, just trying to get some opinions.

My last car I ran 1/16 toe out in the front.
and 1/8 toe in for the rear.

It was a blast to drive around, problem was it killed my tires fast and I had to get my bushings replaced.

Now, I'm reading a lot of people on the forums running 1/16 toe in Front and 1/8 toe in Rear. Sounds like this is the best for daily freeway driving, but what if I still want that fast turn in feeling without compromising too much tires?

Should I do zero front toe and 1/8th rear toe in? Or should I try even less front toe out...possibly 1/32 toe out front and 1/8 toe in rear?

Any suggestions? Thnx!
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Thats not too much toe to be "klling" your tires too quickly, and to cause pre mature failure of your bushings IMO.

Good start is to go for zero toe upfront and see how you like it. I normally have a little toe out, especially for track season.
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On my track car I run a neutral toe front, 4 mm total toe in (~5/32") rear.

Tire wear has been normal.

However, do keep in mind that your alignment, or suspension in general, is a multi-variable system. How well your car turns in depends on the overall set up, equipment used, and tire choice.
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Richard, that's almost exactly what mine is set at from the factory, zero front and the rear is about 1/8" in. I might even consider zeroing the rear toe if I have throttle-on rotation issues, as the car still seems a little tight to me but I'm on the stock suspension. I'm not sure it's worth the hassle though, and in high-speed stuff the car might get a little evil. Good for straight-line speed though
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Thats not too much toe to be "klling" your tires too quickly, and to cause pre mature failure of your bushings IMO.

Good start is to go for zero toe upfront and see how you like it. I normally have a little toe out, especially for track season.
I didn't think so either, but it did. I was sitting pretty low with the coil overs (not sure if that matters). So would you guys suggest 1/16th toe out front and 1/8th toe in rear for street use?
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Richard, that's almost exactly what mine is set at from the factory, zero front and the rear is about 1/8" in. I might even consider zeroing the rear toe if I have throttle-on rotation issues, as the car still seems a little tight to me but I'm on the stock suspension. I'm not sure it's worth the hassle though, and in high-speed stuff the car might get a little evil. Good for straight-line speed though
Richbot, elaborate please. Are you talking about oversteer with a rear zero-toe situation?
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I just recently changed from zero toe up front, to a touch of toe out. I have to say that the car seems quicker to respond up front and feels more planted. It never wandered with zero toe, but the initial turn-in felt a touch mushy.

Although, the previous alignment was screwed up by Sewickley Car Store, so it's hard to tell if the improvement was attributed solely to the change in front toe.

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Richbot, elaborate please. Are you talking about oversteer with a rear zero-toe situation?
Toe out in the rear will make your rear end a little more lively. So most dial in some toe-in in the rear to keep the rear correctly position behind you.

I think Rickbot wants a looser rear end (insert man-love joke).
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Toe out in the rear will make your rear end a little more lively. So most dial in some toe-in in the rear to keep the rear correctly position behind you.

I think Rickbot wants a looser rear end (insert man-love joke).

Makes sense, thanks.

I think Rich needs a bigger cam shaft to get that rear end looser, but I wouldn't know...
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Makes sense, thanks.

I think Rich needs a bigger cam shaft to get that rear end looser, but I wouldn't know...
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Hi, just trying to get some opinions.

My last car I ran 1/16 toe out in the front.
and 1/8 toe in for the rear.

It was a blast to drive around, problem was it killed my tires fast and I had to get my bushings replaced.

Now, I'm reading a lot of people on the forums running 1/16 toe in Front and 1/8 toe in Rear. Sounds like this is the best for daily freeway driving, but what if I still want that fast turn in feeling without compromising too much tires?

Should I do zero front toe and 1/8th rear toe in? Or should I try even less front toe out...possibly 1/32 toe out front and 1/8 toe in rear?

Any suggestions? Thnx!
You will want a bit of toe in on the front of the car so 1/16" total is a good setting.

You don't' really want anything less than 1/8" in the rear for stability sake.
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