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      02-21-2012, 03:52 PM   #23
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Just quoting to make sure this doesn't get deleted...
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      02-21-2012, 08:24 PM   #24
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Yeah, half an inch is ~12.8mm, but you need to do more than convert the difference in wheel widths to millimeters to determine how they sit compared to each other.
  • Difference between 220M and 359M is ~+12mm (rounding down)
  • Difference along the outer side of the wheel is ~+6mm
  • Difference in offset from hub to outer side is -2mm
  • Total difference from hub to outer side = sits ~+4mm wider
This is correct!
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I was answering the OP's question on how aggressive the two wheels look. Fitment issues notwithstanding (and they don't, given that both wheels are OEM items), people consider how a wheel looks on the side that everyone will see it: the outside.



So I would say that my answer was quite candid.

Also, "dis-ingenious" is not a word.
Very good information, bro! Thanks a lot! I have pretty much made up my mind on this. I will most likely take up COR's recommended offset for max aggressive looks and guaranteed no rubbing. They won't reveal the offset they use citing trade secrets. I am sticking to stock ZCP tire size. After fitment, i will prob do a 4 wheel alignment to get back the same geometry due to the change in offset.
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Pfft. Offsets as trade secrets? That's hilarious. This thread delivers the:
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Pfft. Offsets as trade secrets? That's hilarious. This thread delivers the:
I thot so too. Pretty ridiculous. Anybody could just measure it off the wheels. Anyway, so long as there is no rubbing, i am ok not being told the exact offsets.
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      02-22-2012, 08:52 PM   #28
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220M:
Fronts: 19x8.5 (offset +29)
Rears: 19x9.5 (offset +23)

ZCP:
Fronts: 19x9 (offset +31)
Rears: 19x10 (offset +25)

So the ZCP wheels are wider, but the 220M offset is less. I am trying to order a set of COR wheels, but they can't do it in ZCP sizes so might have to settle for 220M sizes. My question is, does the 220M dimension look less aggressive than the ZCP or does the offset cancel out the size difference visually?
Simple math: If the offset was the same, the ZCP wheels would be 0.25" wider both ways, inward into the wheel well and outward toward the fender.

0.25" = 6.35mm

Since the offset is 2mm less aggressive, the net result is that the ZCP wheels are 4.35 mm closer to the fender than the 220 wheels.

They are also wider and look more aggressive. They are 2lbs heavier than the 220 wheels but their weight distribution is better.
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220M:
Fronts: 19x8.5 (offset +29)
Rears: 19x9.5 (offset +23)

ZCP:
Fronts: 19x9 (offset +31)
Rears: 19x10 (offset +25)

So the ZCP wheels are wider, but the 220M offset is less. I am trying to order a set of COR wheels, but they can't do it in ZCP sizes so might have to settle for 220M sizes. My question is, does the 220M dimension look less aggressive than the ZCP or does the offset cancel out the size difference visually?
In real life, the ZCP wheels look more aggressive to me. Not sure if it is an illusion or what, but that is my perception having seen both style wheels.
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I have both , the 220m for winter and the ZCP for rest of the year , I run 255 and 295 on the ZCP and it looks A LOT more aggressive !! I love the 220m when I put them ,but after 2 days I miss my ZCPs !

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I'd always choose the ZCPs, but actually prefer the 220m on your car.
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I'd always choose the ZCPs, but actually prefer the 220m on your car.
I think the quality of the ZCP picture does'nt really give justice to what it look in real !

For sure the paint of my car look a lot better in the other pic !
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Thanks, sir. Yours as well.

It's almost time for me to get new rubber. I think I'll go with Michelin PSSs in GTS fitment -- I really like the look of your rears. How do they ride?
When you see the gts sizes available in pss please let us all know. More than one of us is waiting for the 285/30/19
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In real life, the ZCP wheels look more aggressive to me. Not sure if it is an illusion or what, but that is my perception having seen both style wheels.
Its not an illusion the eye scans the entire package from diff angles and since its 6mm on either side..it looks and is a decent amount wider and depending on the tire looks fairly agressive..this is what I was trying to convey..

Unless you ONLY look from a 180 deg tail or front view angle... 4mm closer to the fender doesnt tell anything about how ZCPs will truly look compared to 220s
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When you see the gts sizes available in pss please let us all know. More than one of us is waiting for the 285/30/19
Doh. You're right -- 275/35 or 285/40, but no 285/30.
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Guys, thanks for all the inputs! The ZCP's wider stance certainly makes the car look more aggressive and sporty. COR can't produce at 9" for the front wheels, so i will have to take 8.5" as per 220M size, but by tweaking the offset, it should give an even more flush look than ZCP even at stock tire size. I am ordering a set of their F1 Brava monoblock in brush aluminium with Anthracite finish (centre piece). Basically replacing the glossy black with the matt anthracite finish of the 2nd picture.
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      02-23-2012, 06:47 AM   #36
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Yes running GTS sizes of 255/35/19 and 285/30/19s. BTW man your car looks great..

Dave
dave what brand of tires do you have fitted?

(they don't seem like Michelin's PSS)

and how does the lower profile feel compared to the OEM?

tire combo looks sweet
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dave what brand of tires do you have fitted?

(they don't seem like Michelin's PSS)

and how does the lower profile feel compared to the OEM?

tire combo looks sweet
Im running Nitto Invos...moving on to a 275/30/19 front and 295/30/19 rear Mich PSS when the fronts wear out..just replaced the rears a month ago. I'm going to widen a set of rear ZCP wheels to 19X11 and run the 19X10 ET25 in the front.

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When you see the gts sizes available in pss please let us all know. More than one of us is waiting for the 285/30/19
I just spoke with Ben@Tirerack, and he says that there's nothing on the horizon (3-4 months) as far as he can tell.
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220M Wheels with 255/35/19 and 285/35/19

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I am thinking of running 255/35/19 front and 285/35/19 rear on the OEM 220M wheels.
Another option is 255/35/19 front and 285/30/19 rear.

I wonder if anyone has used this setup?
Does it rub at all (specially the rear)?
Does it have any effect on the DCT or braking with the small diameter changes.

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I would so trade my 220 for a set of AG M359 or stock ZCP
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Will Avant Garde M359 fit the same 255/285 tire set up as the ZCPs?
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Will Avant Garde M359 fit the same 255/285 tire set up as the ZCPs?
yeah why not, they're the same size
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I didn't know if the different offsets would be an issue but thanks for the response.
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I didn't know if the different offsets would be an issue but thanks for the response.
You'll have to try it to find out, no guarantees on those sizes and rubbing. I had AG 359 wheels with 255/35 up front and didn't rub. The guy I sold them to said he had slight rubbing on full lock. It depends on your liner.
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