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      02-21-2012, 09:21 PM   #45
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I am anxiously awaiting the new CaymanS. If it looks like it should -- a hardtop Boxster -- it will be gorgeous. I absolutely love the new design of the Boxster.

I actually really like the looks of the new 991....a damn shame it is sooo much more expensive than the 997s were.
Yeah me too. The new boxster really looks a lot more musculine. I am also shortlisting the new Cayman S as a probable replacement for my M3. Heard too much good thing about the Cayman's chasis and with the improved looks, it's certainly a tempting option if only they could quickly release pictures of the car!!!
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      02-21-2012, 11:32 PM   #46
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Drove a 991 S and a Cayman R back to back

Now that the M3 is gone I went to the local Porsche dealer to look at a Cayman R. That is a slick car-like driving a highly refined go cart. Most fun I ever had in a street car. Then just for kicks jumped in a 991 S, not as impressed. It was nice. Felt numb and isolated compared to the Cayman. Couldn't hear the engine at all...weird that I would miss it. No comparison, if you want to be involved with the care the Cayman R has set a new standard... just put in to buy one out of state..
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Now that the M3 is gone I went to the local Porsche dealer to look at a Cayman R. That is a slick car-like driving a highly refined go cart. Most fun I ever had in a street car. Then just for kicks jumped in a 991 S, not as impressed. It was nice. Felt numb and isolated compared to the Cayman. Couldn't hear the engine at all...weird that I would miss it. No comparison, if you want to be involved with the care the Cayman R has set a new standard... just put in to buy one out of state..
The electric steering system in the new 911 is a bit numb but gets better at higher speeds. I was about to buy the cayman r but came to my senses just in time. I would suggest a 997.2 911s or gts. Those cars have amazing steering feel that tops any cayman and are very comfortable to live with on a daily basis. You can get pretty good deals on them these days. I got a CPO Second generation 911 s for 70k with very low miles. It's very fast and sits very low and handles amazing with sport suspension +.
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      02-22-2012, 08:25 AM   #48
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To all the Cayman fans: don't forget that a new cayman is on the horizon! (but sadly no new R model announced yet)

We'll see how it's going to be when the new boxster shows up this year!

That is one reason why I am going to give the 991 a full year on the market until I make up my mind. (I don't want a version 1.0 P-car and all of the niggling issues)

When the new cayman comes out it will have a slightly longer wheelbase as well, and may incorporate elements of the 991. New interior looks sweet on the Boxster, and should be the same on the cayman.

I am feeling like I want to go back to mid-engine for a while....
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      02-29-2012, 09:41 PM   #49
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Just got back from the Porsche Dealer to look at the 2012 Porsche 991 S. I must say that it is indeed a nice looking machine; the first thing I noticed was the longer wheel base with 20'' wheels and a lower stance, less over hang in the nose and rear, the rear quarter of the 991 has a look in my opinion of the Aston from a side angle, the interior is more of a luxury look than the previous 997 sporty look and feel; Very nice interior design taken from its bigger brother the Panamera. I must say the price tag loaded is way more than I would pay for a regular Carrera S ($130K ) but with 0-60 and quarter mile time .1 second off from a 996 turbo that commendable for a NA 3.8 motor. Any way overall very nice vehicle and can't wait for the 991 turbo.

I then decided to take a look at the Mercedes C63 AMG and I think Mercedes could have done a much better job of the design especially the rear, quarter panel back it's just not aggressive at all for an AMG only thing I liked about the vehicle was the motor but that alone did not win me over. Overall very bland interior and exterior styling.

I did test drive the new 991 S today, fully loaded with sports chrono/LC. It truly takes handling/speed a notch above M3(am sure the F80/82 will be great but that's 2-3 years away). The interior is greatly updated(way better than a 997). Yeah, the steering initially feels numb but at higher speeds it is quite alive. The car as is can be a DD and a weekend track toy as needed. If you need no more than 2 seats and have extra change you should consider this car, really
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The moment I can get in a 997.1 Turbo for $65K with reasonable miles, I'm there.
EXACTLY what i am thinking.....I will call it a day after i pick one of those up.
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I got to spend a fair bit of time with a 991S this weekend, and I have to say that i'm really impressed. There were four things that really stood out to me.

1. The electric steering is not noticeable. I think when most people are referring to a lack of feel, they are talking about the power steering plus option, which provides a huge amount of assist at low speeds and kills the feel. I've driven the car with and without this feature. At anything over 50kph, the steering feels very good - you can still feel the road through the steering, and it is extremely accurate. At low speeds with the plus option, it does feel lifeless, but honestly, at less than 40kph, I don't necessarily think its a bad thing.

2. The new PDK is absolutely fantastic. I went into the dealership insisting on a manual, having driven one when I was out in Scottsdale. IMHO, the 991 continues the 911 tradition of offering the best feeling manual out there. That being said, the PDK is on a whole different level. It is responsive at high and low speeds, and it is ridiculously fast at track speeds. I'm not a fan of the push/pull buttons for gear change though - I suspect it will take a long time to get used to coming from the paddles. At lower speeds, I find that it lurches less than the E92 M3. The 991 PDK is now on par with the M3 DCT, something which I couldn't say about the 997 PDK, and that speaks volumes about how good the DCT really is.

3. I know I'll be scolded by purists, but I love the GT-ishness of the 991. With the M3, I love being able to cruise home in comfort from the track, which in some cases can be 3-4 hours away. As a relatively big guy (i'm 6', 250lbs), I can easily see myself sitting in the 991 for hours without any issue. It is comfortable in both regular and sport modes. Finding comfortable track/street seating positions is easy, and I love the 'enveloped' feeling you get from the new interior.

4. As for it being fast, it definitely is. I've decided in moving up to a 991S, as it is more than enough car for me. It'll be a while before I have the skill to push a GT3 (or Turbo for that matter) around, and frankly, I like the blend between comfort and speed.

With that all said, I still love my M3. It's an absolutely amazing car for the price, and it isn't a direct comparison to the 911. But in my opinion, the 911 offers enough of an upgrade to justify the price difference, which is something I couldn't say before this weekend.

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      05-01-2012, 06:22 AM   #52
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Some concerns I have re the 991:
1. My left foot didn't feel comfortable and the lateral aspect of my right knee felt cramped.
2. I have read reports of noise buffeting at high speeds with the windows down. This would be a deal breaker for me.
3. No independent adjustment for throttle modulation. In Sports Plus the throttle is up modulated which I don't want. In the M3 the throttle setting is independent.
4. Not wild about the seats.
5. 20" wheels. What kind of rubber is available for these?
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If I not wrong, USA is probably the cheapest place to buy cars especially high end cars in the whole world. Prices might have come up a bit but still cheaper and way cheaper than most of the other countries. A few guys on 6speed had recently picked up their 997.2 GTS for less than $100k band new. We here in Canada, dealers are asking 145-155k for a GTS still and they are not willing to discount. Oh and here in BC we pay 12% tax too. I have been trying to buy this base 997.2 Carrera coupe which dealer wants $97k with cash and they want to to offer me 1k off, yes $1000 off a $97000 car with cash purchase.
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I did test drive the new 991 S today, fully loaded with sports chrono/LC. It truly takes handling/speed a notch above M3(am sure the F80/82 will be great but that's 2-3 years away). The interior is greatly updated(way better than a 997). Yeah, the steering initially feels numb but at higher speeds it is quite alive. The car as is can be a DD and a weekend track toy as needed. If you need no more than 2 seats and have extra change you should consider this car, really
At $116-125K reasonably optioned the 991 S has gotten pretty expensive. I am impressed with the car though.
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      05-02-2012, 09:32 AM   #55
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If I not wrong, USA is probably the cheapest place to buy cars especially high end cars in the whole world. Prices might have come up a bit but still cheaper and way cheaper than most of the other countries. A few guys on 6speed had recently picked up their 997.2 GTS for less than $100k band new. We here in Canada, dealers are asking 145-155k for a GTS still and they are not willing to discount. Oh and here in BC we pay 12% tax too. I have been trying to buy this base 997.2 Carrera coupe which dealer wants $97k with cash and they want to to offer me 1k off, yes $1000 off a $97000 car with cash purchase.
Dealer definitely makes more on the deal if you finance.

So see what you can get with a finance deal, and pay it off after 60-90 days if the deal works for you.

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Dealer definitely makes more on the deal if you finance.

So see what you can get with a finance deal, and pay it off after 60-90 days if the deal works for you.

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they said I could go for 48 or 60 month finance at 3.9% but sales price remains the same. Says it doesn't matter to them if it's cash/lease/finance, that's the price they want for the car. I told them if every buyer is paying the full MSRP, I won't have problem because without those additional discount offered, the cars will retain its resale value. However, the thing is I have heard and seen people getting incredible discounts on the same thing I want to buy, so why I should pay more to them if I can go somewhere and pay less? Canadian market is relatively small and lack of selections, so I am really considering shopping down south in the USA this time.
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My impressions of driving a 991 S.

1. Fantastic performance for a flat 3.8. Impressive acceleration and very close to 996 turbo.
2. Very well balanced and sharp handling. More of a grand touring car compared to the 997.2 which feels much smaller.
3. Don't like PDK compared to BMW DCT. Drove my friends 2012 Turbo S and didn't care for the lack of responsiveness compared to our tranny
4. Price is typicall of Porsche.....way too high relative to the performance your getting.
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My impressions of driving a 991 S.

1. Fantastic performance for a flat 3.8. Impressive acceleration and very close to 996 turbo.
2. Very well balanced and sharp handling. More of a grand touring car compared to the 997.2 which feels much smaller.
3. Don't like PDK compared to BMW DCT. Drove my friends 2012 Turbo S and didn't care for the lack of responsiveness compared to our tranny
4. Price is typicall of Porsche.....way too high relative to the performance your getting.
I second your comment.
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$117K US, try around $300k in Aus for the same spec 991 (that's about $320k US just to make it clear) ..you guys have it sooooo good ... enjoy
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I have already seen several 991s and I love them. However, aesthetically they are little changed and the only way I've been able to discern them from the 997 is if I look at the tail lights.
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Ok, I just built one on Porsche's website for $133k! That's used Gallardo territory. I'd be all over almost new GT3 RS's and 911 Turbos for that price.
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I have always been a fan of the 911 it is evolutionary rather than revolutionary. However they lost me at the 996. The 997 got me interested again and the 991 well is gorgeous the cabriolet takes it to the next level; so much so that I now sell them The 991 is a great divers car its balanced, comfortable and sounds amazing even without the PSE. The PDK is nice but have yet to compare it to the new 7 speed manual. As for the new steering system I driven several 997's including a Turbo S and really didn't feel that much of a difference in everyday driving although the track might be another thing. Yes, pricing can get crazy but I expect the next gen M3 to be up there. Anyone going to BMWCCA Cars and Coffee in SJ this Sun? I will be there "recruiting"

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If the 991 C2S is too expensive at $125k then the new M6 is even more overpriced at that price range. Both are good cars, but in that price range I'm taking the 991.
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The 991S is an incredible car. Having spent some time in one, it is astonishing the performance and handling of this car (997 GT3 level); not to mention the looks on both the inside and outside. One thing that stood out was that handling was so crisp and sharp, like a GT3 or Cayman R, and that's saying quite a lot because you know the GT3 is going to be even better and so will the turbo.
No other 400-460 hp car will touch this thing in a straight and especially on a track. On the track, most times show it keeping pace or beating cars with up to ~300 hp more. That says a lot.
The steering IMO is also still up to Porsche standards. Only car Ive personally gotten seat time in that is better is the GT3 RS which means the 991S is still better than everything else out there in steering feel and precision. Its a wonderful system overall. And the new PDK is still IMO the very best dual clutch system, especially now that the tuning is done in house.

We'll be lucky if in two more years the f30/80 m3 can match the straight line acceleration of this car with the extra hp but it sure wont touch the handling or trakc performance.

And to the above, yes, it does sound even better this generation.
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The 991S is an incredible car. Having spent some time in one, it is astonishing the performance and handling of this car (997 GT3 level); not to mention the looks on both the inside and outside. One thing that stood out was that handling was so crisp and sharp, like a GT3 or Cayman R, and that's saying quite a lot because you know the GT3 is going to be even better and so will the turbo.
No other 400-460 hp car will touch this thing in a straight and especially on a track. On the track, most times show it keeping pace or beating cars with up to ~300 hp more. That says a lot.
The steering IMO is also still up to Porsche standards. Only car Ive personally gotten seat time in that is better is the GT3 RS which means the 991S is still better than everything else out there in steering feel and precision. Its a wonderful system overall. And the new PDK is still IMO the very best dual clutch system, especially now that the tuning is done in house.

We'll be lucky if in two more years the f30/80 m3 can match the straight line acceleration of this car with the extra hp but it sure wont touch the handling or trakc performance.

And to the above, yes, it does sound even better this generation.
the 991S is incredible, however, it only matches the .2 GT3's Ring time when equipped with PDK, SC Plus, PASM, PDCC and a host of other goodies which bring the car > $125k price point. Consider that the MANUAL .2 gt3, otherwise similarly optioned had a sticker of roughly $116K, accelerates faster to 100 and anywhere beyond, has a much higher top speed, is far more track ready than the 991S and infinitely more fun. The GT in front of the 3, 3RS or 2, says it all.

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Yea but the 991s has always been meant as a street car whereas the GT3 has always been a track oriented car. Just compare their interiors.
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