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      02-01-2012, 09:30 PM   #45
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Even used, the installer(assuming the installer did the install and not the owner of the vehicle) should have known the bleeder screws should not face down, unless this is the first time he has ever worked on a brake system.

I would stay away from this shop in the future. If you car don't run is one thing, but can't stop is outright dangerous.

Pressure bleeder is a quick way to bleed the brakes and as long as you don't run the reservoir dry, there is no way the bleeder can introduce any air into the system. Traditional bleeding also works, but will take 4-6 times as long to do the same job.

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Wow! Just saw this....what kind of shop installs calipers upside down???
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      02-02-2012, 10:04 PM   #47
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I am not at the level yet (may never be) where I need dedicated track pads. I run the Street Performance Stoptech Pads. They are quiet on the street, have good initial bite when they are cold, and work great on the track. Even though it is easy to change pads on these calipers, I am lazy and really enjoy driving to the track, running hard, and driving back and not having to change pads unless they are just worn.
How long do your ST pads last? Do they fade?

I love the PF01s but they are expensive and I, too, am lazy and would love to not have to change out pads. I am exploring the ideal of using the ST pads because they cost about 1/4 of the PF01s
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      02-02-2012, 10:14 PM   #48
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How long do your ST pads last? Do they fade?

I love the PF01s but they are expensive and I, too, am lazy and would love to not have to change out pads. I am exploring the ideal of using the ST pads because they cost about 1/4 of the PF01s
Stoptech Street Performance pads are the standard pads that come in all the ST BBK's. They are a performance street pad with some very light track day capabilities. They are not at all a track pad or come close in peformance of PF01. The other alternative is to mangage your brakes well and get plenty of air to them.

If you are looking for replacement pad suitable for both street and track, look into Ferodo DS2500's.
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      02-03-2012, 03:59 AM   #49
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Yeah, this is why I raised this question regarding the ABS Pump as you mentioned air could have gotten into it.

Though I'm sure you have better pictures as the iPhone's camera is not the best.
I saw this online

Part 2 of story? after owner went back to same shop for reinstall. NO brake fluid in the car, brake lines look like Twizzlers Pull N Peel, brake fluid is still dripping, lug nuts are torqued over 120 lbs, ALL of the torque specs on the calipers are out of spec, etc. WOW.



fluid from 1 angle


Fluid from another angle


Glad OP was able to find a shop that know's what they were doing. I for one would never trust a shop that can't even put on calipers the right way.

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      02-03-2012, 04:11 AM   #50
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and now that its all fixed
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      02-03-2012, 06:14 AM   #51
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and now that its all fixed
I'm glad to hear things have been properly fixed and/or sorted out - too bad it required three attempts to get things done right The braking system is by far the most critical system on any car, especially one that's tracked, and an improperly installed BBK creates a potential deadly situation
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      02-03-2012, 08:17 AM   #52
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I'm glad to hear things have been properly fixed and/or sorted out - too bad it required three attempts to get things done right The braking system is by far the most critical system on any car, especially one that's tracked, and an improperly installed BBK creates a potential deadly situation
The sad part is the same shop that messed up the 1st time made a HUGE mistake a 2nd time!!! Seriously...how ridiculous is that? Let me say it again....MRFail

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      02-03-2012, 03:29 PM   #53
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The installer probably will try to do some damage control under the radar, but seriously, just find another line of work. You almost killed OP.
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      02-03-2012, 04:01 PM   #54
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Stoptech Street Performance pads are the standard pads that come in all the ST BBK's. They are a performance street pad with some very light track day capabilities. They are not at all a track pad or come close in peformance of PF01. The other alternative is to mangage your brakes well and get plenty of air to them.

If you are looking for replacement pad suitable for both street and track, look into Ferodo DS2500's.
I am not sure what you consider 'light track day capabilities". I use them hard on the track (to the point of ABS kicking in repeatedly) and I have read that many others do as well. Maybe PF01's are that much better but I wouldn't say they are only light duty track pads.
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I am not sure what you consider 'light track day capabilities". I use them hard on the track (to the point of ABS kicking in repeatedly) and I have read that many others do as well. Maybe PF01's are that much better but I wouldn't say they are only light duty track pads.

ST SP's are performance street/light duty track pads.
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Not sure what is going on here, but I was there last night because my M3 is there too for wheels, suspension and alignment. While these brakes were being done the owner of the car was told many times that he did not have enough fluid and that he needs get more fluid before he leaves. He said he doesnt want to mix his SRF with other fluids and that he will top it off at home.

Sucks how rumors get around but luckily there were other people there last night that can confirm this.
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Not sure what is going on here, but I was there last night because my M3 is there too for wheels, suspension and alignment. While these brakes were being done the owner of the car was told many times that he did not have enough fluid and that he needs get more fluid before he leaves. He said he doesnt want to mix his SRF with other fluids and that he will top it off at home.

Sucks how rumors get around but luckily there were other people there last night that can confirm this.
Do you even know why he was there a second time to begin with.....?
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In addition...tell me how 1.2L of brake fluid isn't enough to do a full brake job?
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First of all, for those of you who are solely car owners and enthusiasts, please do not talk as if you know the in and outs of car mechanics and engineering. Just because you read stuff on the forums and join the group mentality does not make you educated.

Two, I saw this post on fbook too…you should get your facts straight before you assume and make a fool out of people, mostly yourself. I was there last night too for an OEM exhaust issue during the same time these brakes were being worked on…agreed with what j335red said.

It’s interesting that the people commenting on the craftsmanship are everyone EXCEPT the owner of this car…

There is no need to bash on a company you have never visited or a situation you don’t know anything about. N00B move right back atcha
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J335Red & zeetrois, I believe the opinions here are largely derived from the undisputable photographic evidence on the 1st page of this thread.
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I think this thread has run its course so I'm closing it before it gets too ugly.


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