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      03-30-2014, 09:47 AM   #1
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6 speed MT shifting advice?

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I am back to an M3 with 6 speed MT. It's been a while since I have driven stick. I'm definitely out of practice. I'm still trying to find the sweet spot shift points for each gear.

Question for you MT owners as I would appreciate your advice.

When engaging clutch in 1st, do you gas a little or a lot? I generally gas a lot getting RPMs up as I engage the clutch. I feel like I'm going to wear out the clutch pad. So I try a softer approach but the car feels a little choked as if it will stall but then recovers as I gas it. What do you find is best for this power thirsty car?

Also, going to 2nd is touchy. Sometimes I nail it and it's smooth but most of the time it feels like I'm either riding the clutch to smooth it in to gear or it thumps in.

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Ps. This is a 2013 M3 conv. Would have rather gotten the coupe but the deal I got on this was too good to pass. I don't need the .5 sec acceleration difference that badly.
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      03-30-2014, 10:40 AM   #2
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The e9xM3 has probably one of the easiest to use manual transmissions I've ever had (and that's a lot of MT's). If you have limited experience with a clutch then you may just have to just get used to driving a MT car again. In normal driving conditions just some very light gentle throttle (not sure of the RPMs but it's pretty low...maybe 1500) with an average clutch release gets this car rolling smoothly. You can't just dump the clutch in low RPM's and expect a smooth launch LOL. It's about feel. You feel the RPM's and you release the clutch based on that feel. There is a sweetspot (RPMs and clutch release) that most MT drivers find instinctively without any thought whatsoever. You'll just have to practice to find it.
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      03-30-2014, 11:15 AM   #3
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the second gear is an issue everyone has, you need to get use to it.
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      03-30-2014, 11:24 AM   #4
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Rev to ~1k off the line in first, so probably about 2.5k for you to get old ironsides E93 moving.

Most important thing for smooth 1-2 shift is the timing, which varies from car to car. That will come with time and experience in the M3
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Of the 6 MT cars I've had, the E92 M3 is definitely the odd duck, especially shifting 1–2. My DD has been an E39 M5, which is very different, even though it too is a powerful and rather high-revving motor.

Shifting my E92 M3 takes some getting used to if I haven't driven it in a while.
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      03-30-2014, 12:22 PM   #6
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Absolutely 0 problems with mine. I gas it just very slightly, only a couple of 100 RPM's. Having said that, I highly recommend getting a ZHP knob if you haven't done so already. I just could not get used to the really tall OEM one.
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Absolutely 0 problems with mine. I gas it just very slightly, only a couple of 100 RPM's. Having said that, I highly recommend getting a ZHP knob if you haven't done so already. I just could not get used to the really tall OEM one.
this.

i think it's safe to say, among 6mt owners, this is one of the best mods you can do for your M3.

all the advice above is spot on...and while i'm not the most experienced shifter here, i'll add that i find the shifting a lot smoother once the car has fully warmed up.
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      03-30-2014, 01:34 PM   #8
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Engaging 1st is a breeze, 2nd takes some practice to consistently nail smoothly. It's a feel thing, keep practicing. I put the M5 knob on mine and it really made a difference for me. It's slightly shorter and feels much better than stock.
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      03-30-2014, 10:09 PM   #9
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I found by swapping out the stock clutch stop made a world a difference going from 1st to 2nd and it was only $9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E9X-BMW-CLUT...09578a&vxp=mtr
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      03-31-2014, 03:13 AM   #10
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Not sure if possible to install this
http://www.npcompleteperformance.com/wotbox
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Lots of good advice here. Only thing I will add is lots of practice. You will get more comfortable with your car and good shifting will become second nature. Enjoy!
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      03-31-2014, 10:00 AM   #12
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For the 1st gear,
Tap the gas about 500 rpm or under but you should be able to it less once you get used to it.

For the 1st to 2nd gear tip,
A momentum is the key to smooth & perfect shifting.

What is your shifting point from 1st to 2nd gear?

Try this:
Just tap the gas (while you are still in the 1st gear) befor shifting to 2nd gear.
This tap will give the car 500 more rpms.
That 500 rpm is the momentum that you need to use before shifting to 2nd gear smoothly.

You need to do that in continuous motion.

Tap
Clutch
Shift
Gas

Hope this can help you to do the smooth shifting.
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The e92 m3 was the easiest for me to drive. My e36 was a bit of practice shifting smoothly. The clutch is stock but stiff. I usually will rev to a little over 1K RPM before letting go the clutch all the way. Hope it helps
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I found by swapping out the stock clutch stop made a world a difference going from 1st to 2nd and it was only $9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E9X-BMW-CLUT...09578a&vxp=mtr
Cannot agree more...
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Engaging 1st is a breeze, 2nd takes some practice to consistently nail smoothly. It's a feel thing, keep practicing. I put the M5 knob on mine and it really made a difference for me. It's slightly shorter and feels much better than stock.
Where can I still get the M5 knob?
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I found by swapping out the stock clutch stop made a world a difference going from 1st to 2nd and it was only $9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E9X-BMW-CLUT...09578a&vxp=mtr
I'm very glad I made this simple, cheap mod as well.
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Practice practice practice!

Bump the RPM up just slightly when starting from a dead stop- just about 1,000~1,200 RPM should be all you need. Then as the clutch engages you'll be using the gas pedal to very gently keep the car alive. Once the clutch is fully engaged you can use the gas as normal.

Good luck!
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Where can I still get the M5 knob?
i think any vendor here that deals in OEM parts can help you with that. check with Mckenna or someone else.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=909410
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agreed with other posters here.
I needed time and practice to get used to our MT tranny. I always thought clutch goes way too deep, and 1-2nd shift was always jerky. What I found was that I was reving too low when shifting from 1 to 2nd.
after driving this and that manual cars, i came to realization that there's no perfect MT tranny. Everything has its own style and taste, we jus gotta get used to ours
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I found by swapping out the stock clutch stop made a world a difference going from 1st to 2nd and it was only $9
http://www.ebay.com/itm/E9X-BMW-CLUT...09578a&vxp=mtr
Any concern the clutch is not fully disengaged? I would hate to wear out any parts prematurely, but would probably like this mod otherwise.
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Where can I still get the M5 knob?
I picked up mine here:

http://www.getbmwparts.com/partlocat...catalogid=4462

Do a search on the DIY. I didn't use any glue, just cut out holes for the tabs and seated it. Kinda a pain to get seated if you rush it, the M5 leather is pretty thick. Easy to do though, just take your time and have some patience. The illumination on this knob is awesome! It's a nice OEM upgrade.

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Practice practice practice!

Bump the RPM up just slightly when starting from a dead stop- just about 1,000~1,200 RPM should be all you need. Then as the clutch engages you'll be using the gas pedal to very gently keep the car alive. Once the clutch is fully engaged you can use the gas as normal.

Good luck!
This is the best reply sofar. there is no need to replace the stick knob once you get it right. Some people seem to misunderstand your main question (moving the car from 1st gear without chocking the engine or riding the clutch). I know exactly what you mean, i had the same issue. The clutch engagement is very low, if you release the pedal too quickly even one inch without sufficient gas you will get that dip in power.
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