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      01-26-2012, 02:48 PM   #639
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But where is the proof that AA is at fault here??? This thread is 10% personal attacks, 10% facts about motors in general, and 80% speculation. There are so many holes in this story we will never find out what really happened.
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there's no real story here.... just a bunch of name calling/finger pointing. not good for either parties reputation. no lawsuits are going to happen. just a little excitement for forum members to read. drama for the sake of drama.
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I would like to know this as well.

I have a few attorney friends I could ask. Other than that, maybe I'll put a call into my attorney and ask, but he charges $800/hour and bills in 15 minute increments!
Yes I did and I am also a licensed CPA..anymore questions?.
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there's no real story here.... just a bunch of name calling/finger pointing. not good for either parties reputation. no lawsuits are going to happen. just a little excitement for forum members to read. drama for the sake of drama.

the forum posters love drama don't we, I guess we don't have enough drama in our lives!!: confused0068::co ol:
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Yes I did and I am also a licensed CPA..anymore questions?.
how much to get my 1099 done??

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Yes I did and I am also a licensed CPA..anymore questions?.
How many years have you practiced law?
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Yes I did and I am also a licensed CPA..anymore questions?.
Can you do my taxes?
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Does it matter what really happened?
To me? No, but to other who have the kit, I think it might.

IMO, if you are going to start a thread like this, you better have ALL the facts to prove your side of the story, otherwise it's just going to look like blackmail.
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How many years have you practiced law?
I dont practice law..I am an audit director
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Yes I did and I am also a licensed CPA..anymore questions?.
No need to be snotty.

It's a fair question to be asked.

Can I pay you $500 to mow my lawn?
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I dont practice law..I am an audit director
maybe you can help out this poster, he is in dire need

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640125
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No need to be snotty.
Well its kinda of hard not to be when people are questioning your credentials..I realize its an internet forum but I went to school for many yrs so yeah I reserve the right to be a little snotty
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sorry to get of topic, I didn't mean to hijack the thread
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That's just AA trying to not be responsible for their own work. Wouldn't the best thing to do would be to tell a customer bring the car down here so we can look it over and take care of you, or just say we aren't responsible take it to BMW. The fact of the matter is AA doesn't want to be responsible for anything. I guess it shows you how they take great care of their customers.
What do you mean AA isn't trying to be responsible for their work? They bought the SC back from the OP, going above and beyond what their agreement states.

If you have some evidence that clearly shows that AA is responsible for this failure, I beg you to post it. But if you don't, why do you continue to place blame on AA?

I really do think this thread should be locked until further updates have been made.
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To me? No, but to other who have the kit, I think it might.

IMO, if you are going to start a thread like this, you better have ALL the facts to prove your side of the story, otherwise it's just going to look like blackmail.
Agreed...and I stated this verbatim...Post #632
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they bought it back so they can resell it. When I managed a shop we would go out of our way if a customer had a problem, especially if he is spending that kind of money. Customer service should be AA number 1 priority. Because satisfactory experiences are expected. If someone has a bad experience they'll tell twice as many people. Just look at this thread 27k views and counting
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Well its kinda of hard not to be when people are questioning your credentials..I realize its an internet forum but I went to school for many yrs so yeah I reserve the right to be a little snotty
Wasn't questioning your credentials. Simply asking what they were.

If I go to an IT client and the ask me if I am a certified Cisco networking professional, I wouldn't say "YES, Any other questions??" just because I went to school for years learning cisco networking.

I think we need as many "level headed" experts in here as possible.
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      01-26-2012, 04:22 PM   #655
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the forum posters love drama don't we, I guess we don't have enough drama in our lives!!: confused0068::co ol:
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Man, I should have gone to law school
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Wow this is all stupid. Mod your car at your own risk. Don't try to scam anyone. Bye.
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Wow this is all stupid. Mod your car at your own risk. Don't try to scam anyone. Bye.
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first HE tried to scam BMW,that didn't work then went after AA. I GUESS...
Some of the members are dreamin if yhey think AA is liable,it's like runnin a jb3 then goin after Terry when the turbo's fail.
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they bought it back so they can resell it. When I managed a shop we would go out of our way if a customer had a problem, especially if he is spending that kind of money. Customer service should be AA number 1 priority. Because satisfactory experiences are expected. If someone has a bad experience they'll tell twice as many people. Just look at this thread 27k views and counting
What I am assuming your idea of "out of their way" is going out of their pocket. If you were a shop manager, would you like people causing drama on a forum for you to clear up (generally speaking to everyone) when you have done your due diligence and they only know what is posted (in turn, making them know it entirely in their eyes)? As an acting manager...if you believe, and better yet KNOW your company was not at fault for this and you even took back the product to help the customer for financial recovery, is it also your responsibility to pay for the consequential damage NOT caused by your company, staff, work or products?

Satisfactory to Active could mean - they had the car there, clearly as you suggested they should (15months ago) to read the ECU and return it to stock. When in their liability agreement (in which you agree when you purchase the product) they are not responsible for charges of re/re of the kit. If you spend 16k without looking into details of your purchase then this should not be a financial problem..and if you are well, I really don't know how you came this far to afford an E9X M3, let alone start getting into modding one.

Satisfactory for the customer could mean not paying a penny, since they did the S/C now this happenned...so why should they be out of pocket?

You could draw the line on 50% but really - that's not fair.

Some of your posts just seem as if you (and many others) are here to cause Drama...and didn't bother reading through everything and seeing the real facts (in which this situation does lack), unless you consider speculation to be a fact. You're only defaming yourself....the automotive industry may seem big, but trust me it is not when forums are involved...and people do remember things (to both fellow sponsors, and customers).

I am not taking sides, or pointing fingers at anyone....but the word FACT is thrown around so much by the uneducated on this forum that is really tiresome to read through 31 pages of BS. Out of 27k views how many of it is to see a show and how many to see the facts. You said my answer yourself in your previous posts.

The best part of the thread is people being judgemental, who live on the other side of the country and have no association with either party.

Given that, I'd suggest for the thread to be locked and cleaned...and re opened when there is a conclusion on the matter. Otherwise this thread only looks like a cheap shot to defame a legendary company and really, they are getting defamed for something we cannot prove at this point. Every other sponsor would agree if they put their self in Active's shoes.

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What I am assuming your idea of "out of their way" is going out of their pocket. If you were a shop manager, would you like people causing drama on a forum for you to clear up (generally speaking to everyone) when you have done your due diligence and they only know what is posted (in turn, making them know it entirely in their eyes)? As an acting manager...if you believe, and better yet KNOW your company was not at fault for this and you even took back the product to help the customer for financial recovery, is it also your responsibility to pay for the consequential damage NOT caused by your company, staff, work or products?

Satisfactory to Active could mean - they had the car there, clearly as you suggested they should (15months ago) to read the ECU and return it to stock. When in their liability agreement (in which you agree when you purchase the product) they are not responsible for charges of re/re of the kit. If you spend 16k without looking into details of your purchase then this should not be a financial problem..and if you are well, I really don't know how you came this far to afford an E9X M3, let alone start getting into modding one.

Satisfactory for the customer could mean not paying a penny, since they did the S/C now this happenned...so why should they be out of pocket?

You could draw the line on 50% but really - that's not fair.

Some of your posts just seem as if you (and many others) are here to cause Drama...and didn't bother reading through everything and seeing the real facts (in which this situation does lack), unless you consider speculation to be a fact. You're only defaming yourself....the automotive industry may seem big, but trust me it is not when forums are involved...and people do remember things (to both fellow sponsors, and customers).

I am not taking sides, or pointing fingers at anyone....but the word FACT is thrown around so much by the uneducated on this forum that is really tiresome to read through 31 pages of BS. Out of 27k views how many of it is to see a show and how many to see the facts. You said my answer yourself in your previous posts.

The best part of the thread is people being judgemental, who live on the other side of the company and have no association with either party.

Given that, I'd suggest for the thread to be locked and cleaned...and re opened when there is a conclusion on the matter. Otherwise this thread only looks like a cheap shot to defame a legendary company and really, they are getting defamed for something we cannot prove at this point. Every other sponsor would agree if they put their self in Active's shoes.
Your right, lets wait for the freeze data from the ecu so we can compare.
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