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      01-25-2012, 11:34 PM   #595
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Wow... So what happened to AA's own thread??
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      01-26-2012, 12:01 AM   #596
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Last post, then I will wait for the data.

I am not going to compete with AA. I have an opportunity to relocate and chose S.Florida for many personal reasons.
I do intend on remaining in the automotive field.
I cannot say with 100% proof anything about those other 2 cars, but if you notice AA stopped commenting all together after I asked them that question. How could I even fabricate those 2 specific cars?
I didn't google "what causes detonation", everyone knows a lean mixture will/can cause it.
As for the statement provided by IMW- someone with no ownership and incomplete information posted that up prior to discussing with me due to a customer email. Note it is no longer up.
Or not last post, depending on if you read the thread or not. Yet another way in which your comments are false.
As for AA's silence, that's what any person and/or company does when they get threatened with legal recourse. That's common sense, not an admission of guilt. I'm sure they have plenty of cards that they will only show if/when needed...
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      01-26-2012, 01:18 AM   #597
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God damn this thread is awesome! I think it took a solid 2 hours to get through it!

Where did the AA response thread go??? I saw the title but never got to it before getting to the end of this one.
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      01-26-2012, 01:55 AM   #598
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God damn this thread is awesome! I think it took a solid 2 hours to get through it!

Where did the AA response thread go??? I saw the title but never got to it before getting to the end of this one.
It got deleted. And it shouldn't have been.

Equipment was sent to OP today for the read of the freezeframes. Shooting for Tuesday or Wednesday...
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      01-26-2012, 03:39 AM   #599
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Wow, I can't believe the mods said they won't close this one as long as it stays civil and on topic but AA gets theirs deleted upon request.
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      01-26-2012, 04:33 AM   #600
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Wow, I can't believe the mods said they won't close this one as long as it stays civil and on topic but AA gets theirs deleted upon request.
Not sure if mods deleted it or if AA deleted it. Since they were the first poster they probably had the option to delete the thread too. Mods should put it back. I'm a big fan of full disclosure.

I have the last page .pdfed here: http://exservers.com/aathreadp8.pdf I am not taking sides yet but I think all of the information should be public for everyone to see.
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      01-26-2012, 05:50 AM   #601
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Not sure if mods deleted it or if AA deleted it. Since they were the first poster they probably had the option to delete the thread too. Mods should put it back. I'm a big fan of full disclosure.

I have the last page .pdfed here: http://exservers.com/aathreadp8.pdf I am not taking sides yet but I think all of the information should be public for everyone to see.
Wow, I'm surprised by this, considering several people have backed up this and AA's thread so not sure what AA was thinking? Thanks for posting the link Mike! I agree all posts/info should be available for everyone to read.
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I wouldn't have removed it, but that's just me. I'd agree however that it is in their rights to do it but doesn't mean it's a good idea from a PR prospective. Never would have I expected things to turn out the way that they did, truly one for the ages as they say.
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Alright, I was kinda done posting here, but this post needs to be commented on... So, what you are saying is it's OK for you to ask the mods to close this thread (which you did), but you start crying if AA deletes their thread? Granted, I would've advised AA not to comment at all, let alone start a new thread, but I think it is totally within their rights to remove a thread on a public forum.
Closing a thread and deleting one are quite different.
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I asked it be locked until further information so as not to get steered off topic. I wouldn't ask it be deleted.
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Maybe their lawyers adviced them to delete it. Maybe the mods felt like only one thread should be open, this and the other thread are the same topic after all. Does it really matter that it got deleted? I dont think so, since we still have this thread. Lets just stay on topic, so that way they have no reason to delete this thread too.
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      01-26-2012, 10:15 AM   #606
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In response to the removal of the Active Autowerke's Response thread, Active Autowerke was advised to have it removed, for reasons we may not discuss.

All Information including our response may be found on pages 5 and 18 of the current thread.

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      01-26-2012, 11:28 AM   #607
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If the OP feels that he is absolutely sure that AA is at fault why doesn't he just file suit to recover damages from them instead of this BS fake outrage thread more than a year offer his loss.
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First off I hope someone has all this backed up on their HD.

Secondly,

I hope they have all of AA's response backed up too-
Please email me it if you do. Mpoweredauto@yahoo.com

Anyone notice how AA removed their thread once things didn't go their way? Also, someone has hacked or added tags to this thread that I never put. I guess since AA sponsors this forum they have political pull with the mods. Goes to show how far free speech goes on this forum.
just get a lawyer and subpoena the forum owners for the records, that is, if you believe there's some proof here that will help you win your battle.
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      01-26-2012, 11:41 AM   #609
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just get a lawyer and subpoena the forum owners for the records, that is, if you believe there's some proof here that will help you win your battle.
To what end?,..the OP has NO legal recourse here due to AA's disclaimer.

For those howling at the moon to lawyer up..do you not get that?
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This thread has fail written all over it.... What person in their right mind thinks they can slap a stg 2 supercharger with meth on their high compression car with a guarantee the engine won't pop??? Even worse, they feel if it does they shouldn't have to pay for it??? Not only that, but the person who's engine blew is some one who works in the automotive field tuning cars??? Shouldn't this person had some basic knowledge of the possible risks involved with trying to squeeze a lot more HP out of their engine??

I guess this is America in 2012... no one ever wants to take responsibility. Nothing is ever your own fault.
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To what end?,..the OP has NO legal recourse here due to AA's disclaimer.

For those howling at the moon to lawyer up..do you not get that?
i guess if OP signed a waiver saying that aa is not responsible for engine blow ups, then yea, i see no point in OP posting here...maybe a waste of time..i feel bad that his engine blew but no one put a gun to his head and told him to supercharge it. at least they refunded him for the kit.
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I have been keeping up with this thread from the beginning, mainly because I have been considering SC options although this thread has also become quite interesting. I have not commented because I haven't felt that I had anything useful to add BUT after reading Andrews last post I find myself disgusted. Obviously AA has finally sought legal counsel and they have finally come to the conclusion that it is not in their best interest to have an employee spouting off on a LARGE public forum, in an extremely unprofessional manner no less. It appears Andrew was the "straw man" speaking on behalf of AA and somebody, who was familiar with the situation, was feeding him what they wanted said. FTR I don't blame Andrew, he is new to the company and likely trying to impress/please management... So AA accepted the pissing match (turned it into a game) but once it got too real they finally did the smart thing and decided to take the high road. Regardless of who is right or wrong AA it has lost a tremendous amount of credibility, at least in my book.
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All Information including our response may be found on pages 5 and 18 of the current thread.

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I definitely think that AA is trying to cover it's own ass instead of taking care of the customer. A company should stand behind thier product and any harm that product may cause, even if it is forced induction. Usually an over revved motor would drop a valve or cause some other kind of damage to the head. Throwing a rod through the block is probably a boost or tune issue. I sure hope this doesn't end up on the front page of jalopnik. I bet if they were to cover the engine replacement right away and taken care of the customer, this thread would have started with "I just wanted to thank aa for great customer service" instead. Of the usual run around the companies give you once they have your money in their pocket. I think in any buisness the customer is the #1 priority. Is aa going to hide under a rock for the next couple of weeks or have their head stuck under the sand till this blows over?
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To what end?,..the OP has NO legal recourse here due to AA's disclaimer.

For those howling at the moon to lawyer up..do you not get that?
I'm not saying that AA has a legal obligation to the OP.

However, considering the OP said that he has not signed a document pertaining to the supercharger install and its potential effects, you would think there was an implied law of merchantability. The sale of the blower was governed under the Uniform Commercial Code and it is pretty thick in terms of what the seller and buyer are expected to do. It is a bit more complicated than that, as sales of goods and services are treated differently in the code.

Regardless, since there was no failure of physical hardware from AA equipment, it would be on the plaintiff to prove that AA was at fault for the motor blowing. It's not like a piece of the supercharger landed into one of the cylinders. It's hard to say exactly what happened. It could have been a BMW issue exacerbated with the addition of forced induction. It could have been user error (although I doubt this), or it could have been a tuning issue. The one main point that stands strong through all of this is that if you want to play you should be ready to pay.

If this is a case of misrepresentation, a cover up, some type of fraud, or anything of that sort - it would be expected that this would come out in the discovery phase of a suit. Merchants are required to deal in good faith, and it would be the OP's responsibility to prove to the courts that they did not. The previous employees at AA would be subpoenaed, and should the forum be also, all communication regarding this event would have to be produced and entered.

If I was AA's attorney, I would advise them to not post any further. If I was the OP's attorney, I would advise the same as well as archiving of all responses. It's a pretty sticky situation at this point and I'm eager to see what the freezeframe data says. I am also very keen on previous AA employees shedding some light on their rendition of the events.
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This thread has fail written all over it.... What person in their right mind thinks they can slap a stg 2 supercharger with meth on their high compression car with a guarantee the engine won't pop??? Even worse, they feel if it does they shouldn't have to pay for it??? Not only that, but the person who's engine blew is some one who works in the automotive field tuning cars??? Shouldn't this person had some basic knowledge of the possible risks involved with trying to squeeze a lot more HP out of their engine??

I guess this is America in 2012... no one ever wants to take responsibility. Nothing is ever your own fault.
+1 and of all people a shop owner. AA has an iron clad agreement,the OP is wasting his time.
Well maybe he's tryin to warn others,rrrrright.Why did he take him a whole year to do so?
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