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      04-08-2016, 04:49 AM   #1
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alternative brake pads low dusting

I'm in search of brake pads that won't dust as much as the factory ones. Someone recommended ceramic pads to accomplish this. I want some pads that that can be used with the sensors as well as don't squeak and overall perform as good or better (i.e. pedal feel stopping distance) This car will not be seeing any competition but it will be going to Nurburgring later this summer, but out side of that the car won't see any track use. I'm looking for front and rear.

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That's correct, ceramic pads will create a lighter colored dust that's less visible. They're not inherently less dusty, it's just that the friction material is a silver color and harder to see from afar. If you're up close, there will still be a noticeable film on the wheels. The Akebono pads seem to be popular and are priced reasonably.

When you visit the Nurburgring, I would advise swapping in a race-ready pad.
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If you just swap "race-ready" pads for a day at the track do you do front and rears?
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If you just swap "race-ready" pads for a day at the track do you do front and rears?
Absolutely.
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I think the Stoptech Street Performance pads would work well. The Nurburgring isn't bad at all on the brakes. Its not a track that demands a lot if any threshold braking.
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I trashed my OEM brakes at an HPDE day at the racetrack so going to replace them with new OEM pads and rotors for daily use but I'm going to purchase race pads to swap in for my track days. After searching through many posts the most popular pads of choice seem to be PFC-08 or Pagid RS-19. I'm in the Pacific Northwest so would want something that is great in the rain. Any preferences in these two choices?
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I think the Stoptech Street Performance pads would work well. The Nurburgring isn't bad at all on the brakes. Its not a track that demands a lot if any threshold braking.
In 2002 I did the 3-day school in an E46M3 w/Hawk HP+ pads (had them and the right tools in my luggage and swapped them in before we drove the Salzburgring, A1 Ring, and the Nurburgring). They were fine, but noisy. In 2003 I just used the stock pads in the 330i ZHP and had no issues. There are some heavy braking zones, but there is plenty of cooling time between them.

As for pads, I'd look at PFC Z-rated pads. Less initial bite than stock, but much less dust and they'll hold up to the 'ring just fine.
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In 2002 I did the 3-day school in an E46M3 w/Hawk HP+ pads (had them and the right tools in my luggage and swapped them in before we drove the Salzburgring, A1 Ring, and the Nurburgring). They were fine, but noisy. In 2003 I just used the stock pads in the 330i ZHP and had no issues. There are some heavy braking zones, but there is plenty of cooling time between them.

As for pads, I'd look at PFC Z-rated pads. Less initial bite than stock, but much less dust and they'll hold up to the 'ring just fine.
You're such a PFC whore!
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You're such a PFC whore!
I prefer being called PFC promiscuous.
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I prefer being called PFC promiscuous.
PFC Slut once you're full of liquor
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I think the Stoptech Street Performance pads would work well. The Nurburgring isn't bad at all on the brakes. Its not a track that demands a lot if any threshold braking.
They are great pads for the street and very light track days. Dust is not light, but less than OEM. It's an easier dust to clean off of the wheels for sure.
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Will ceramic pads hold up on the track without glazing and potentialy making noise?
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Will ceramic pads hold up on the track without glazing and potentialy making noise?
I don't think ceramic pads for track application are a good idea.....google Thunderhill Nismo 370Z....
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I don't think ceramic pads for track application are a good idea.....google Thunderhill Nismo 370Z....
I looked at the videos and I'm not seeing how brakes we related to that accident. (Looks like the back just stepped out under throttle)
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I looked at the videos and I'm not seeing how brakes we related to that accident. (Looks like the back just stepped out under throttle)
The reports were initially that the failure was due to shitty brake pad material Nissan used on their Nismo model (Akebono Ceramic)
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The reports were initially that the failure was due to shitty brake pad material Nissan used on their Nismo model (Akebono Ceramic)
Ok I see.
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Ok I see.
Yeah, once they swapped pad material, fluid and lines, they were able to go longer, but the ultimate problem was the Akebono caliper itself. They designed it without thinking about the heat that track cars inevitably experience. The solution after that was brake ducting to keep the calipers relatively cooler.

Total joke and it made me wonder why Nissan went away from OEM Brembos because my 350z never had that problem.
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I think Cool Carbon pads are a ceramic matrix pad, but not a pure ceramic like Akebono (I could be wrong here).

Here's the deal: track pads for the track, street pads for the street. Brake pads are cheap. body work isn't.
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Akebono carbon ceramic brake pads are quiet and produce very little brake dust. I did use them on a track day at Circuit of the Americas and did get brake fade after 15mins in every 20 min session, on autocross/drift events I didn't have any fade.
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thanks for all the info guys!
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+1 for the Akebono EURO Ultra-Premium ceramic brake pads. I replaced the stock pads on my 2008 E90 M3 daily driver two years ago. Zero dust. As good as OEM stopping power. A noticeable difference in bite, but it took about a week to get used to. Well worth it because I spend 90% less time cleaning my wheels.
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