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      05-21-2007, 11:57 AM   #1
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This is an interesting article.... Let's discuss in a kind manner.

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Congressman Ron Paul is the leading advocate for freedom in our nation’s capital. As a member of the U.S. House of Representatives, Dr. Paul tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies. He is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record. Dr. Paul never votes for legislation unless the proposed measure is expressly authorized by the Constitution.

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I LOVE Ron Paul

He is technically a Libertarian (Social Liberal/Economic Conservative)
He wants free rights, in money, society, personal lives, etc.

But is is running for president as a Republican because he is smart.
His view line up more with Republicans, and since no one has heard of a Libertarian, this is his good chance.

We seriously need a real and down to earth person in office. I agree with absolutely everything Ron Paul says. He doesn't want this country to end up like Europe, with a socialist economy and high taxes. He also doesn't want to waste money on (unjustified?) wars.
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I LOVE Ron Paul

He is technically a Libertarian (Social Liberal/Economic Conservative)
He wants free rights, in money, society, personal lives, etc.

But is is running for president as a Republican because he is smart.
His view line up more with Republicans, and since no one has heard of a Libertarian, this is his good chance.

We seriously need a real and down to earth person in office. I agree with absolutely everything Ron Paul says. He doesn't want this country to end up like Europe, with a socialist economy and high taxes. He also doesn't want to waste money on (unjustified?) wars.
A column in today's WSJ on Ron Paul, libertarians, and the war for those who are interested can be found here.

It concludes, "These libertarians are still rooting for success in Iraq because it would make Americans more safe, while defeat would greatly undermine the fight against those who declared war on the U.S. They are concerned that Americans may get the misleading impression that all libertarians oppose the Iraq war--as Ron Paul does--and even that libertarianism itself dictates opposition to this war. It would be a shame if this misinterpretation inhibited a wider acceptance of the libertarian principles that would promote the general welfare of the American people."
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A column in today's WSJ on Ron Paul, libertarians, and the war for those who are interested can be found here.

It concludes, "These libertarians are still rooting for success in Iraq because it would make Americans more safe, while defeat would greatly undermine the fight against those who declared war on the U.S. They are concerned that Americans may get the misleading impression that all libertarians oppose the Iraq war--as Ron Paul does--and even that libertarianism itself dictates opposition to this war. It would be a shame if this misinterpretation inhibited a wider acceptance of the libertarian principles that would promote the general welfare of the American people."
yep, again and again -- the media is right as long as they support Bush's madness...otherwise, media (and in your words Google stuff) is crap...
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yep, again and again -- the media is right as long as they support Bush's madness...otherwise, media (and in your words Google stuff) is crap...
What is your point?

This is a opinion column written by one man to express his thoughts. It is not meant to be authoritative or the final word on libertarian doctrine. It is merely an interesting response to Ron Paul's candidacy.
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I have been listening to Ron Paul, MD. He makes a lot of sense to me. I wish we had someone like him running for Prime Minister of Canada.
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...His view line up more with Republicans....
This is not really correct. Ron Paul’s views line up with what the Republicans pretend to believe in. Also note that the other recent candidate with Libertarian leanings was Howard Dean, obviously a Democrat.

I suspect that Dean’s Libertarian tendencies were why the Republican slime machine was so scarred of him. And now you see the same slime machine going after Paul.

As a Recovering Republican, and registered Libertarian, I encourage everyone to visit www.lp.org and www.reason.com
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This is not really correct. Ron Paul’s views line up with what the Republicans pretend to believe in. Also note that the other recent candidate with Libertarian leanings was Howard Dean, obviously a Democrat.

I suspect that Dean’s Libertarian tendencies were why the Republican slime machine was so scarred of him. And now you see the same slime machine going after Paul.

As a Recovering Republican, and registered Libertarian, I encourage everyone to visit www.lp.org and www.reason.com
What portion of Howard Dean's platform did you consider libertarian?
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Love Ron Paul. He wont win though due to our horrible system.
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I am a libertarian but I have some Republican interests (as mentioned, moslty those that Republicans pretend to stand for). I hope he wins the Republican nomination, it's the only way he has a chance. I don't have a proble voting for Giuliani if he wins though, which seems more a lot more likely at this point.
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I am a libertarian but I have some Republican interests (as mentioned, moslty those that Republicans pretend to stand for). I hope he wins the Republican nomination, it's the only way he has a chance. I don't have a proble voting for Giuliani if he wins though, which seems more a lot more likely at this point.
Your willing to vote for a man who is winning votes just because of 9/11? What exactly has he done? Did you know he has been ridiucled for his role that day actually?

Just pointing that out. I feel he of all Republicans should not have a chance. You can ask him how he feels about babies and his first thing is 9/11. He is a one trick pony.
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What portion of Howard Dean's platform did you consider libertarian?
A non-interventionist foreign policy, fiscal conservative, socially tolerant, pro gun rights. His track record in Vt, his real record, is very different than Rush would have people believe.

There are two wings to the Libertarian Party, social and civil. No doubt Dean tilts toward the social rather than civil grouping. But also no doubt that he does not believe in deficit spending, which is becoming the defining characteristic of both major parties.
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Your willing to vote for a man who is winning votes just because of 9/11? What exactly has he done? Did you know he has been ridiucled for his role that day actually?

Just pointing that out. I feel he of all Republicans should not have a chance. You can ask him how he feels about babies and his first thing is 9/11. He is a one trick pony.
If you experienced NYC before Rudy and after Rudy you would never say such a thing. Rudy would be worthy of support if 9/11 had never occurred based on his record as mayor and US Attorney.
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Problem is these politicians (take your pick of Republicans, Democrats, Socialists, Reformists, Libertarians, etc) always do things so half assed. Either nuke the middle east et al or stay the hell out but quit pussy footing around for Christ's sake. Makes us look like a bunch of indecisive weenies. As far as I'm concerned we have no "real" candidates for Presidency as of yet.
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A non-interventionist foreign policy, fiscal conservative, socially tolerant, pro gun rights. His track record in Vt, his real record, is very different than Rush would have people believe.

There are two wings to the Libertarian Party, social and civil. No doubt Dean tilts toward the social rather than civil grouping. But also no doubt that he does not believe in deficit spending, which is becoming the defining characteristic of both major parties.
Dean opposed the Iraq War but supported the first Gulf War, the campaigns in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the invasion of Afghanistan so I do not think he qualifies as a non-interventionist.

His support for the assault weapons ban and the Brady bill was not exactly pro-gun and his desire to raise taxes (by repealing tax cuts) was not the libertarian preferred method to balance the budget.
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Dean opposed the Iraq War but supported the first Gulf War, the campaigns in Bosnia and Kosovo, and the invasion of Afghanistan so I do not think he qualifies as a non-interventionist.

His support for the assault weapons ban and the Brady bill was not exactly pro-gun and his desire to raise taxes (by repealing tax cuts) was not the libertarian preferred method to balance the budget.
Your criticism of Dean is valid to some degree. However all of these positions were marketed when he was positioning himself for national office and was distancing himself from that other New England governor on defense and pandering to the Democratic base. His actions while Governor of VT were those of a fiscal conservative who did not believe in big government It was this record in VT that lead to modest libertarian support for Dean.

That he marketed himself like this is despicable, but it is the same as Bush’s positioning himself as a “compassionate conservative” who did not believe in nation building and would be fiscally responsible. (Too bad more of us did not look at his actions while governor of Texas.) This brings us back to the point of this thread, Ron Paul being clear and consistent with regard to his core beliefs, and acting accordingly without concern to political marketing.
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Your criticism of Dean is valid to some degree. However all of these positions were marketed when he was positioning himself for national office and was distancing himself from that other New England governor on defense and pandering to the Democratic base. His actions while Governor of VT were those of a fiscal conservative who did not believe in big government It was this record in VT that lead to modest libertarian support for Dean.

That he marketed himself like this is despicable, but it is the same as Bush’s positioning himself as a “compassionate conservative” who did not believe in nation building and would be fiscally responsible. (Too bad more of us did not look at his actions while governor of Texas.) This brings us back to the point of this thread, Ron Paul being clear and consistent with regard to his core beliefs, and acting accordingly without concern to political marketing.
I agree that Dr. Paul has been intellectually consistent but as a result he is completely unelectable. Politics is about building coalitions and compromise and Paul is unable to do either.
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I agree that Dr. Paul has been intellectually consistent but as a result he is completely unelectable. Politics is about building coalitions and compromise and Paul is unable to do either.

I will have to applaud you on this one...
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