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      12-24-2011, 12:24 PM   #45
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Hmmm. lol Coming from corvettes and having spent time on those forums I can only say this thread looks mighty familiar.
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      12-24-2011, 12:36 PM   #46
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Not hating on your thread, I'm hating on your laziness to go back and read what's previously been written on this subject and is now being regurgitated verbatim. I actually like these 6MT threads so I can read how you peeps rationalize the manual transmission choice and romanticize a pretty basic skill practiced by me, most drivers above a certain age, and most drivers outside North America.

So to recap, your going to buy a car with the same 1-2 shift problem that bothered you enough to take your previous car with the same problem to the dealer 3 times? But gosh-darnit your going to tame this MT...because you're a purist and that's what purists do.

That's poor decision making and no, they probably wont let you fly an Airbus thinking like that.
What's up with this dude? If you don't like his laziness, skip the thread and move on. I don't get people like you. People are still contributing to this thread aren't they?

Anyway, it comes down to preference. This 6MT is not the best (not close to my 06 CS), but not garbage. But TO ME, it's better than a DCT.

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      12-24-2011, 12:46 PM   #47
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All three of my ///M are manual. Man you honestly can't go wrong. My respect for the DCT owners but for this bad boy it only manual going forward.

Future wish list. 6MT manual M5.
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      12-24-2011, 01:21 PM   #48
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OP, based on what you've posted, you'll be happy with the manual.

I'm also picking up an MT coupe in the Spring and am certain that I'll be smiling for years.


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This may come as a shock to you, but I honestly don't care if you order the inferior transmission, I actually have much love for MTs. And it doesn't get any more "chill" than driving an e93 in sunny San Diego.
That "inferior transmission" is so bad compared to DCT that it will walk the dog shyte out of your DCT equipped vert anytime, anywhere. How does it feel to drive a car that's slower than an M3 equipped with an "inferior transmission"?
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      12-24-2011, 01:43 PM   #49
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What's up with this dude? If you don't like his laziness, skip the thread and move on. I don't get people like you. People are still contributing to this thread aren't they?

Anyway, it comes down to preference. This 6MT is not the best (not close to my 06 CS), but not garbage. But TO ME, it's better than a DCT.

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And a Merry Christmas to you too

BTW ... Go to this thread ===> CLICK then scroll down to post # 13
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OP, sounds like you will not regret going with the manual. Gotta go with your gut.

I ordered the DCT. But a friend of mine has an E92 M3 with the 6MT, there is no frakkin' way you'd get her to give up her 6MT. She luuuurves it and waited 8 months so she could get it in 6MT.
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      12-24-2011, 04:51 PM   #51
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I've had a 6MT for several months now. Up until now, I was thinking about almost switching to a DCT car as the shifts were long and often notchy. The ZHP shift knob def helped.

What really helped, though, was getting the UUC SSK w/ DSSR being installed (ordered from Turner). Now, the shifts are much shorter and buttery smooth, even 1-2 shift. It almost feels like my old Honda tranny now, much easier and more fun to drive. Def worth the money. You won't regret it!

After getting this installed, I am def glad I stuck with 6MT.
Please keep us posted on how the UUC maintains it's feel. Ive read some threads stating that it was good for awhile and then started to feel notchy after much use. So your input later, would make a good data point whether good or bad :-).

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      12-24-2011, 05:02 PM   #52
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Before my comments, no 6MT guy is going to deny DCT is the quicker transmission, but that's not why we buy a manual.

Now, there's no perfect transmission/clutch/shifter, but to me, Porsche has the best combination, so I'd assign it a 10. My M3 was an 8.5 when new. My '08 car has the best stock clutch feel up to the '11 model IMO, so left it alone. Removing the spring changes nothing near the engagement zone, evidenced when I accidentally let air into the hydraulic system leaving clutch pedal completely limp. The spring only pushes the pedal up at the last inch, and down the last inch as well. Spring has no effect in the middle portion. And removing the spring leaves a cheap feeling pedal with excessive play side to side. Those claiming better 'feel' are kidding themselves . Anyway, with new fluid (RP synchromax), ZHP knob, and ultimate pedals, it's a 9.8 now, only due to the narrow clutch engagement point. But to me it's a 10, since I'm fully used to it by now. I can drive a Porsche like I've owned it for 5 years right off the bat; it's that easy to master. The M3 is less forgiving, but equally rewarding when mastered. So yes, slower than a DCT, but I wouldn't have it any other way even if it was 2 seconds slower . It's a delight to drive this thing. Have a good one folks.
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      12-24-2011, 09:26 PM   #53
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I took delivery of my 2012 at Welt at the beginning of December. I test drove DCT and Manual transmissions before buying. The MT was a 2008 Certified series so it was well broken in.

Leaving Welt, I questioned my decision to buy the MT. I found that it was difficult to shift smoothly. The light clutch takes some getting used to. Within a week I was comfortable with it.

If I were to make the selection again would I buy the MT or DCT? I would still get the MT. I like having a clutch that I control.
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      12-24-2011, 11:11 PM   #54
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      12-24-2011, 11:29 PM   #55
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I'm a DCT guy but would love a 6MT too. Really can't go wrong with either.
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      12-25-2011, 12:44 AM   #56
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Please keep us posted on how the UUC maintains it's feel. Ive read some threads stating that it was good for awhile and then started to feel notchy after much use. So your input later, would make a good data point whether good or bad :-).

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I just read a post stating that someone has had it for 2 yrs now without problems. Only time will tell...but I sure hope it lasts
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      12-25-2011, 11:55 AM   #57
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Elp-jc is in the minority on the clutch spring. Perhaps it's because there were changes in design for MY11, but that additional spring impacts the feel considerably. It makes it seem like the engagement point changes each time you press the pedal. Remove, add the eBay clutch stop, and suddenly it's a lot more linear (not perfect, but much much better).

And as far as later play in the pedal because of the spring removal, just put the telescoping shafts back in less the secondary sprin and the lateral movement is significantly reduced.

As a last step, bleed the clutch and you're golden.

But the biggest impacts for me were the addition of a set of ultimate pedals and the zip knob (you can buy a lighted ZHP knob on eBay from a guy in Germany for about $120 shipped.

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      12-25-2011, 12:09 PM   #58
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Am I the only one who actually really likes the clutch? I liked it from the first time I ever test drove an e9x M3. Seemed so natural and easy to use for me. Usually, there is a little getting-used-to when you are with a new clutch, but not here. The mechanism just fit me like a glove.
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      12-25-2011, 12:31 PM   #59
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I usually buy the only manual BMW left on the dealer lot. I didn't like the clutch feeling in my previous 353i. I recently bought a 535i with manual, and it is so smooth, perfect for that car.

I bought my M3 off the dealer showroom (no order) and it had a DCT. I was worried at first but after a few weeks I have no regrets at all. The throttle blip on downshift in M mode is addictive. The transmission is very quick to shift, much more predictable than any other auto/paddle car I've driven before.

Overall I have no regret going from manual to DCT, and I can't wait to be over the break-in period to unleash its full potential.
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My old M3 was a DCT and drove it for 2 years.

My current M3 is 6MT and had it for 3 months.

Honestly, they both excite me in their own ways. As long as there is a S65 under the hood then I am happy.
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      12-25-2011, 01:51 PM   #61
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That "inferior transmission" is so bad compared to DCT that it will walk the dog shyte out of your DCT equipped vert anytime, anywhere. How does it feel to drive a car that's slower than an M3 equipped with an "inferior transmission"?
Umm dude, you've never even owned an e9x m3 anytime, anywhere. So why are you asking me what it's like to "drive a car that's slower than an M3 equipped with an inferior transmission" when you've been living that reality since you joined back in '08?

My turn; how did it feel to get bitch-slapped with your own post, like that?

But since you asked, and it's Christmas: driving my '11 e93 feels great, because any time I see another m3 I realize I could have bought that instead...if I'd desired. Your question makes no sense when addressing an owner of the top dawg in the M3 world. Were you expecting me to to sigh and say, "aw man..I wish I could afford a 2012 coupe with the 6mt"? There is no envy amongst e93 owners for the e90/e92, that only goes the other way.

And BTW, if you think your average 6mt forum member is capable of walking the "dog shyte" out of a DCT vert on the street, you're vastly over-estimating people's stick-shift skills and underestimating the DCT's performance, but I'm sure the imaginary m3 you're driving in your head, is also being driven by the "best driver on the Internet".

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      12-25-2011, 04:21 PM   #62
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I usually buy the only manual BMW left on the dealer lot. I didn't like the clutch feeling in my previous 353i. I recently bought a 535i with manual, and it is so smooth, perfect for that car.

I bought my M3 off the dealer showroom (no order) and it had a DCT. I was worried at first but after a few weeks I have no regrets at all. The throttle blip on downshift in M mode is addictive. The transmission is very quick to shift, much more predictable than any other auto/paddle car I've driven before.

Overall I have no regret going from manual to DCT, and I can't wait to be over the break-in period to unleash its full potential.
I love my 6MT, you just have to give it some time to get used to it. Honestly after a while I had a doubt about my decision of not getting DCT, but when I got used to it, I wouldn't want it any other way!
But my question for DCT owners, I am just curious, all of you guys talk about the amazing sound of throttle blip on downshift, does it sound better than when we 6MT guys rev match on down shifts?
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I love my 6MT, you just have to give it some time to get used to it. Honestly after a while I had a doubt about my decision of not getting DCT, but when I got used to it, I wouldn't want it any other way!
But my question for DCT owners, I am just curious, all of you guys talk about the amazing sound of throttle blip on downshift, does it sound better than when we 6MT guys rev match on down shifts?
No, but then you have to ask how many people can actually execute a properly matched downshift blip with the stick. My guess would be not that many and fewer that would admit it?
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No, but then you have to ask how many people can actually execute a properly matched downshift blip with the stick. My guess would be not that many and fewer that would admit it?
Thanks for the reply. It definitely took me few months to learn how to do it properly. Now it is natural, I do it without even thinking about it.
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Thanks for the reply. It definitely took me few month to learn how to do it properly. Now it is natural, I do it without even thinking about it.
A long time ago I saw a bmw pulling up to a traffic light and he blipped on a downshift and I thought he was showing off a bit.

After I learnt how to do it myself and felt how much more comfortable it is, I try to do it whenever I can. Not to mention it sounds awesome, but I keep in mind to others that you may look a bit try hard!
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A long time ago I saw a bmw pulling up to a traffic light and he blipped on a downshift and I thought he was showing off a bit.

After I learnt how to do it myself and felt how much more comfortable it is, I try to do it whenever I can. Not to mention it sounds awesome, but I keep in mind to others that you may look a bit try hard!
Haha, before I bought my M3, I used to see these sport cars doing it as well, and I had no clue why they were doing it. I actually thought they were showing off as well.
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