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      12-23-2011, 09:03 PM   #1
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6MT, forgive me I have sinned

New to forum, new to BMW. Just ordered 2012 E92 M3. Going with ED first week of May. Can't wait.

I have searched threads, and have to ask about the 6MT. I have seen a lot of griping about this tranny. I drove a 2002 Boxster S 6MT for 4 years and loved it.

I test drove the DCTand enjoyed it and was shocked at the responsiveness but I didn't find it to be as engaging. Nothing against it, just a preference. I did not test drive the 6MT, figured what could be wrong? Then I see all these people complaining about the shift/clutch feel.

How bad is this tranny? Are these complaints petty gripes or should I change the order to the DCT? I would only do so if this tranny was complete garbage.

Thanks in advance, sorry if this is a dupe thread. Can't wait for the car.

Just to clarify. 6MT is far and away first choice. I don't like the shifter, too long and will replace it with the OEM short shifter after second delivery.

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      12-23-2011, 09:08 PM   #2
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I don't have any issues with either of my M3s. Some do. Time for
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      12-23-2011, 09:17 PM   #3
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Yeah I'm gonna get a talkin to I'm sure.

The threads griping about it seem to be from Porsche owners. I don't have any prob with it being different. But they talk like its a piece of junk. Which I doubt. And yes I should have test drove a manual.... but it's getting cold up here in Canada and the dealership just had DCTs.....
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Manual is fine. Not amazing, and clutch takes some getting used to because it's so light, especially compared to my old e46 m3 clutch.

I think the gearbox is fine, and much better than the e46. My issues are with the clutch, not the gearbox.

I don't regret my decision to go 6mt at all. Makes the car a challenge to drive and more fun to me.

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I test drove a DCT too and bought a manual without test driving one. I'm a manual kind of guy. I can appreciate the DCT and I wouldn't mind having it on occasion, but I love the shifter. Plain and simple. You will be fine. There is a known issue between 1 and 2, but I have adjusted subconsciously and I don't have a problem shifting anymore. It's just got a hitch, but I wound it out through three gears today without any mis shifts.
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      12-23-2011, 09:29 PM   #6
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So as far as manuals go, I came from a S2000 (still have it). I can tell you you'll be disappointed, with more than anything, the non-linear clutch (with a very lightweight flywheel) and the pedal placement. However, it's all solvable.

My current setup is a ZHP knob (much much better, but a little too low), with the clutch spring delete, and a set of Ultimate Pedals. Now I have no problem heel and toe-ing, and am having a blast. It's still no S2000 in terms of the 6MT's performance, but it's not an issue at all, and in now way impacts the joy that it is to drive this car.
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Funny thing. Reading the 1-2 issue threads. Some talk of the grinding going into second. I have to laugh. I had the exact same thing with my Porsche. Cool temps, low rev shifts could grind, or worse the shift would "take" then get spat out into neutral. 3 trips into the dealer. All three "could not duplicate." holy coincidence.

Anyways. I'm hearing the clutch feel is light. Oh well can get used to this. I'm not totally up on some of the aftermarket stuff (not at all actually). So this ZHP knob is Greek to me. The dealer had a used 6MT with an BMW short shifter. Throw is the same, 30% shorter height wise. Felt much nicer than stock (granted just shifting in showroom).

This isnt the ZHP knob is it?

Thanks very much for the advice. I read these things and it shocked me. Not a fun read after dropping some serious cabbage on a depreciating asset!!!
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This is my first MT. Didn't know what I was getting into. It was a gamble. I was very nervous at the beginning, but I'm glad that I took the plunge. I enjoy every second of it. I'm still learning, but boy do I love the challenge. Heck, I didn't even test drive the thing. If I were to get into a DCT M3, I'd be lost. I wouldn't even know where to start. I feel like it's a totally different car. In the end, it's what you want. I got EXACTLY what I wanted and I'm happy. In this life, that's pretty rare.
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The tranny is certainly not garbage. Gear engagement through the gates has been spot on and positive for me. Clutch feel on the other hand is "hit or miss." Non-linear as a prior poster stated but you do get used to it. The trans feels extremely durable though IMO. Not fragile.
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      12-23-2011, 09:49 PM   #11
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Yeah, definitely get the 6MT, your car won't be performing to its potential and there's a known issue with the 6MT but by all means that's clearly the best unbiased recommendation to a new buyer.

Cuz you know what? You're going to feel "engaged" as a mofo when you're driving and that will be awesome for you. So you'll have that.

Good post OP, it's been at least two days since the forum has been engaged in a 6MT vs. DCT discussion and the topic wasn't really delved into until the '12 model came along.
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      12-23-2011, 09:53 PM   #12
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I'm a DCT guy but would love a 6MT too. Really can't go wrong with either.
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      12-23-2011, 09:59 PM   #13
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Love it when people hate thread topics but just HAVE to comment. Holy sarcastabitch.

Sounds like I'll like this manual tranny. Takes some skill to perfect it not just some button pushing monkey.

You'd make a good airbus pilot e-93-11.
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I've had my 6MT for almost two months and now I love it. This is my daily driver in heavy traffic and I have no complaints. It did take me about 3 weeks to truly get the feel for proper clutch engagement points. This is not my first manual BTW. The biggest thing I did was change the seat position and to let this engine rev. Shifting at higher rpm in lower gear helps. This driveline can be clunky when the car is cold. I have no regrets with this manual.
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Love it when people hate thread topics but just HAVE to comment. Holy sarcastabitch.

Sounds like I'll like this manual tranny. Takes some skill to perfect it not just some button pushing monkey.

You'd make a good airbus pilot e-93-11.
Not hating on your thread, I'm hating on your laziness to go back and read what's previously been written on this subject and is now being regurgitated verbatim. I actually like these 6MT threads so I can read how you peeps rationalize the manual transmission choice and romanticize a pretty basic skill practiced by me, most drivers above a certain age, and most drivers outside North America.

So to recap, your going to buy a car with the same 1-2 shift problem that bothered you enough to take your previous car with the same problem to the dealer 3 times? But gosh-darnit your going to tame this MT...because you're a purist and that's what purists do.

That's poor decision making and no, they probably wont let you fly an Airbus thinking like that.
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      12-23-2011, 11:09 PM   #18
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I like manual bro.

Don't worry about the airbus ref. it's over your head.

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The tranny is fine. The only problem, or slight annoyance rather, is the 1-2 shift. Other than that, it's a great piece.
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Having come from an Audi S5 the M3 doesn't "feel" as smooth after break-in. It always feels like a new car with a tight tranney, where as the S5 after it was broke in shifted more smoothly. Thats the best way I can describe it. Having said it is still a blast to drive and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's solid, precise and a pleasure.

Funny thing though, I have mini-s and it "snooks" into gear like butter. Same company overall. hmm.....
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Not hating on your thread, I'm hating on your laziness to go back and read what's previously been written on this subject and is now being regurgitated verbatim. I actually like these 6MT threads so I can read how you peeps rationalize the manual transmission choice and romanticize a pretty basic skill practiced by me, most drivers above a certain age, and most drivers outside North America.

So to recap, your going to buy a car with the same 1-2 shift problem that bothered you enough to take your previous car with the same problem to the dealer 3 times? But gosh-darnit your going to tame this MT...because you're a purist and that's what purists do.

That's poor decision making and no, they probably wont let you fly an Airbus thinking like that.
Let's hope your mastery of shifting is better than your mastery of writing. "Your" a genius.........
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Awesome. Thanks for your time gents. You've soothed my concerns.

The funny thing is there's two camps. 6MT and DCT. To each his own. I just love how some people gotta try and prove that their way is the only way, and you're stupid if you don't agree. When in fact personal preference just can't be explained sometimes.

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