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      12-17-2011, 08:21 AM   #1
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Quick question about M3 tach - why do only some have the shift lights?

Browsing around an e90 M3s and noticed that only some have the sequential yellow shift lights on the top curve of the tach (see pic below). What year/option/etc is it, causing some to have it and others not?

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      12-17-2011, 08:22 AM   #2
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DCT has it. I think MT doesn't.
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      12-17-2011, 08:24 AM   #3
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Ah, that could make sense!
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Pretty dumb to me. Give shift lights to the auto and not the manual :roll:
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      12-17-2011, 09:38 AM   #7
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Yes we MT fellows don't need any lights ... we use the red line on the Tach
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Yes we MT fellows don't need any lights ... we use the red line on the Tach
Yes, shift lights are useless and for bad drivers. Thats why F1 cars don't have it, they have manual gearboxes and a plain tach ;-)
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Yes, shift lights are useless and for bad drivers. Thats why F1 cars don't have it, they have manual gearboxes and a plain tach ;-)
Yes just the way we like it ... less lights less destructions

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Yes, shift lights are useless and for bad drivers. Thats why F1 cars don't have it, they have manual gearboxes and a plain tach ;-)
You obviously have never seen F1 . You might be thinking of redneck racing or some other crap. They don't have a tach at all. Unless they can get it displayed on the steering wheel some how. They use the lights on the top of the steering wheel and I am sure feel and sound. Here is a website for others out there who also have never seen F1 either.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/04/22/steering-wheels/
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Very cool video, i wonder why he couldnt show us the back!
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To be honest I am a total amateur road driver and I really find those shift lights useless. If you are in full WOT mode, the revs rise so quickly and your attention is on the road that watching the lights and changing based on that is almost impossible and not desired. I just have learned to to it by sound which I am sure an F1 driver with SO much experience does very easily. I can tell just when to shift and I know I am pretty accurate because every so often I will not shift early enough and fuel cutoff happens JUST when I was about to shift so I know I am usually pretty spot on.

Not even sure why I bother having the shift lights "on" but still gets me excited to see when they light up I know the revs and WOT are on!
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In 3 days time this thread will have expanded to about 11 pages of DCT vs MT 'debates'.
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In 3 days time this thread will have expanded to about 11 pages of DCT vs MT 'debates'.
DCT is way faster so no need to argue about it
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Yes we MT fellows don't need any lights ... we use the red line on the Tach
Yes, shift lights are useless and for bad drivers. Thats why F1 cars don't have it, they have manual gearboxes and a plain tach ;-)
Not sure if serious...
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Pretty dumb to me. Give shift lights to the auto and not the manual :roll:
Not necessary in any case - just shift when you redline.
I don't recommend looking at the tach as it can be distracting...
Even when driving manual, I just do my best to feel the car and shift when necessary.
MT/DCT... Same shit. Feeling the car doesn't change
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Yes, shift lights are useless and for bad drivers. Thats why F1 cars don't have it, they have manual gearboxes and a plain tach ;-)[/quote]

Don't take this wrong, but you have no clue. Where do you think the technology for DCT came from? F1....No human can shift faster than DCT.
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In 3 days time this thread will have expanded to about 11 pages of DCT vs MT 'debates'.
Haha that is so true!
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Yes we MT fellows don't need any lights ... we use the red line on the Tach
Yes, shift lights are useless and for bad drivers. Thats why F1 cars don't have it, they have manual gearboxes and a plain tach ;-)
Am I the only one who realized that you are being sarcastic. I Donno why everybody else is attacking you. Obviously you're saying to MT guys:
F1 cars have clutchless shifting
F1 cars have shift lights.
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You might be thinking of redneck racing or some other crap. They don't have a tach at all. Unless they can get it displayed on the steering wheel some how.

Nascar does have Tachs and they light up too, they don't have speedometers...



You can also use the shift lights without taking your eyes from the road, if you use your peripheral vision. They're bright as hell....
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You can also use the shift lights without taking your eyes from the road, if you use your peripheral vision. They're bright as hell....
Agree. During regular driving I shift with engine sound usually around 5K. But with spirited drive I shift with yellow light for 1st 2nd and on red light for the rest. All without looking at all
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