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      12-02-2011, 07:13 PM   #1
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Slicks for the circuit?

Before I get flamed with :, i am on my iPhone and don\'t have access to a comp. so I can\'t use the search.

Do u guys recommend pure slicks for circuit?

Or R-comp?

Staggered or square?

I will be getting 18 inch wheels.
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      12-02-2011, 08:29 PM   #2
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It really depends on your track experience. Would you consider yourself a novice, intermediate or advanced driver? How many track days have you done?

As you go from street to r-comp to race tires, although grip is increasing, they also become more difficult to drive on at the limit and have different pros/cons.
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      12-02-2011, 09:07 PM   #3
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Intermediate I guess. I can handle my car pretty well
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Intermediate I guess. I can handle my car pretty well
If you are between intermediate and advanced perhaps it's time to try an r-comp. R-comps are not nearly as forgiving as a street tire and much more challenging to drive at the limit (no noise, abrupt breakaway characteristics).

If you drive to the track you could try the Michelin PSC, Nitto NT01 or Toyo R888. All of these can be driven in the rain as long as there's no standing water and they have most of their tread. I've had very good success with the PSC - not the quickest r-comp but very consistent and will turn the same lap times from new to end of life. They don't like to get too hot. If you keep hot pressures below 40 psi they won't get greasy (lose grip and start sliding around).

If you trailer the car to the track then you could try the Hoosier R6, BFG R1 or Hankook Z211. All of these are very sensitive to heat cycling so their grip will drop off fairly quickly. These are basically slicks except for two circumferential grooves so they have virtually no hydroplane resistance - ok on a damp track but not safe on a very wet track with standing water.

Square vs. Staggered - this really depends on your driving style but the biggest advantage of a square setup is you can swap wheels front-rear to increase tire life.
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      12-02-2011, 09:38 PM   #5
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First response I've gotten on this forum that has been helpful. Thx for taking the time to write that man. Much appreciated
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First response I've gotten on this forum that has been helpful. Thx for taking the time to write that man. Much appreciated
You're welcome
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      12-03-2011, 05:46 AM   #7
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      12-04-2011, 04:18 PM   #8
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if you need to ask, you're not ready.
Wow your right. I guess I don't know anything. I am going to sell my car now.

Thanks pinhead you have been a great help
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      12-04-2011, 04:25 PM   #9
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Wow your right. I guess I don't know anything. I am going to sell my car now.

Thanks pinhead you have been a great help
Hey Mahmud, I apologize for being flippant in earlier posts. I am going to try to be a bit more helpful now. Pinhead's comment is actually probably closer to the truth than you might like.

How many track day's have you been to? What color group do you drive in?
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Wow your right. I guess I don't know anything. I am going to sell my car now.

Thanks pinhead you have been a great help
Hey Mahmud, I apologize for being flippant in earlier posts. I am going to try to be a bit more helpful now. Pinhead's comment is actually probably closer to the truth than you might like.

How many track day's have you been to? What color group do you drive in?
It's fine thundermoose. I just find it frustrating when someone asks a question but gets made fun of/goes off topic because of another unrelated comment. I just wish people would have a bit more respect but it's all good, no hard feelings at all
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my response was serious, and not making fun of you or going off topic. if you're mad at my response, you dont have to read it. my advice is true, the fact that you asked, you're probably not ready.
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my response was serious, and not making fun of you or going off topic. if you're mad at my response, you dont have to read it. my advice is true, the fact that you asked, you're probably not ready.
Pinhead I wasn't referring to you. It was to thundermoose, from an old thread. So r u saying because I asked what the optimal tire is, it means I'm not ready? I don't see a correlation
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Pinhead I wasn't referring to you. It was to thundermoose, from an old thread. So r u saying because I asked what the optimal tire is, it means I'm not ready? I don't see a correlation
you are asking if you are ready for racing slicks. People who use racing slicks generally are those who has had enough experience to know if the car is more comfortable with a staggered or square setup, where the grip level is and how much grip they want. Because racing slicks grip so well they also have less feedback and less warning when they give away, so when you do make a mistake, it will be greatly exaggerated and you are going off the track at a faster rate, which can result in more damage. Those that are ready for racing slicks, know this, and are ready to handle them. That is why I said, if you are asking, you most likely do not have enough experience to handle them. I have many years of track experience under my belt, and even I don't think I am ready for slicks. Although I have tried them, I am not ready to push my max on them.
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The more grip you put on your car, the harder it will be to drive at the limit. It will also wear everything on your car out faster (brakes, wheel bearings, shocks, bushings, etc.).

Also consider that the stock suspension was designed for stock levels of grip. Throw on race tires and the car will have more tendency to understeer. You have to modify the suspension and alignment accordingly to compensate for the additional grip. And when you have more grip then you are using your brakes more, etc. etc.

I've spent around 200 days at the track including 3 seasons of racing. I still have a blast on street tires when I go out in a street car. Less grip will teach you more at lower speeds and give you a chance to correct something that you might otherwise not be able to save. less grip = more learning

The extreme performance summer tires (RS3, AD08) are so close to r-compounds anyways that the difference is not that big.

I recommend a square setup on 18s for more neutral handling and the ability to rotate for wear. Square 18x9.5's with Hankook RS3 or Neova AD08, etc.
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      12-05-2011, 08:49 PM   #15
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IMO, you need to be very comfortable with sliding and catching the car with street tires first. You will be going much faster when a slick/ rcomp breaks away.
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