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      12-01-2011, 11:03 AM   #23
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Congrats, nice ride ... regardless of it is a 'Civic' with 359Ms lol just kidding I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.
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Thanks for the responses everyone. I double checked my paperwork and there are a couple of forms (1 that's a screen grab from the sales rep's monitor) that shows it is ZCP. I guess I was a bit paranoid after reading an old article that stated all 2011 ZCPs come with the Auto Start / Stop feature (didn't say it was only after 09/10).

Dealers make mistakes all the time (mine SWORE that my M3 had run flats for example) and since mine was used but not CPO (it had around 7K miles on it) I just wanted to be triple sure.

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Mdm, auto start, sport plus and edc have nothing to do with zcp-- my non-zcp m3 has all those features/ options.
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      12-01-2011, 11:45 AM   #27
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If your suspension is active in EDC Sport mode then you have ZCP.

I realize it's a subjective test, but I'll bet if you compared to a known non-ZCP back to back you could tell.
I wonder how many of us could tell even if driven back to back, simply on the basis that EDC sport is adaptive. I bet it's less than 5%.
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I thought auto/stop was a euro only option, not the US.

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I wonder how many of us could tell even if driven back to back, simply on the basis that EDC sport is adaptive. I bet it's less than 5%.
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Nope, US cars started coming with auto/stop as standard from Sept '10 on...
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The auto start/stop option appeared on the 2011 M3 starting with Sept production (9/2010). My 2011 was one of the last cars produced before the factory shut down in August of 2010. I do not have start/stop.
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Wait. M3's don't have run flat tires???

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Thanks for the responses everyone. I double checked my paperwork and there are a couple of forms (1 that's a screen grab from the sales rep's monitor) that shows it is ZCP. I guess I was a bit paranoid after reading an old article that stated all 2011 ZCPs come with the Auto Start / Stop feature (didn't say it was only after 09/11).

Dealers make mistakes all the time (mine SWORE that my M3 had run flats for example) and since mine was used but not CPO (it had around 7K miles on it) I just wanted to be triple sure.

Thanks again for setting my mind at ease.

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Dealers make mistakes all the time (mine SWORE that my M3 had run flats for example) ....
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Just before I picked up my 2012 M3 last Monday I had a call from the dealer (apparently manager) it was a lady ... she wanted to sell me tire/wheel insurance ... and in her sales pitch came up with "you do know that your car comes with the very expensive RFT?" ... At this point I stopped her and said ...

"If the car has RFT it's a deal breaker you would have to change the wheels out from my existing 2011 M3 to the new one!"

She exceed herself and put me on hold then confirmed yes indeed my car comes without RFT.

During the spring International Auto Show in Toronto at the BMW display there was this nice 2011 M3 in racing colour displayed ... When I asked the BMW fellow (his title was also Manager) about the tires he insisted they are RFT. I just smiled and left.

Yes indeed some people at BMW don't know about the M3 tire, guess we have to update them

So I came across 2 actual cases ... also in some of the option lists from dealers on the internet BMW dealer web sites the tires are specified as RFT. I would never run my M3 on RFT ... hated them on my Z4.
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      12-01-2011, 01:14 PM   #36
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Just before I picked up my 2012 M3 last Monday I had a call from the dealer (apparently manager) it was a lady ... she wanted to sell me tire/wheel insurance ... and in her sales pitch came up with "you do know that your car comes with the very expensive RFT?" ... At this point I stopped her and said ...

"If the car has RFT it's a deal breaker you would have to change the wheels out from my existing 2011 M3 to the new one!"

She exceed herself and put me on hold then confirmed yes indeed my car comes without RFT.

During the spring International Auto Show in Toronto at the BMW display there was this nice 2011 M3 in racing colour displayed ... When I asked the BMW fellow (his title was also Manager) about the tires he insisted they are RFT. I just smiled and left.

Yes indeed some people at BMW don't know about the M3 tire, guess we have to update them

So I came across 2 actual cases ... also in some of the option lists from dealers on the internet BMW dealer web sites the tires are specified as RFT. I would never run my M3 on RFT ... hated them on my Z4.
+1 more:

This actually happened to me with a BMW rep. (the one at the M3 display) at the BMW museum in Munich!!! I looked at him, turned around, and walked away.
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      12-01-2011, 01:28 PM   #37
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I wonder how many of us could tell even if driven back to back, simply on the basis that EDC sport is adaptive. I bet it's less than 5%.
I don't have EDC, but from what I've read here the standard Sport mode is very stiff, and the fact that it is non-adaptive (on non-ZCP cars) is readily apparent. I suspect that, if someone drove the two back to back (perhaps a number of times) with the express purpose of trying to detect the difference, then they absolutely could. One would need to pick some driving surface that would take full advantage of the dynamic dampening of course (i.e. not a glass smooth race track).

But yes, as I said, it would nevertheless still be a subjective test.
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      12-01-2011, 01:36 PM   #38
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Incorrect information. MDM came in the pre-ZCP models -- the "tech" package.
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The auto start/stop option appeared on the 2011 M3 starting with Sept production (9/2010). My 2011 was one of the last cars produced before the factory shut down in August of 2010. I do not have start/stop.

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I have an April'10 Build ZCP 2011 and no autostop feature...thank God!
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I have an April'10 Build ZCP 2011 and no autostop feature...thank God!
It's turned off by default. No reason to fear this feature. Some say cars with this have slightly more power because the water pump is electric instead of hydraulic.
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Nope, US cars started coming with auto/stop as standard from Sept '10 on...
I'm sorry, meant to say early build 2011 cars. I have a May 2010 build and obviously I don't have it. What a worthless feature on a M3 anyway. Did it result in a improved MPG rating?

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I don't have EDC, but from what I've read here the standard Sport mode is very stiff, and the fact that it is non-adaptive (on non-ZCP cars) is readily apparent. I suspect that, if someone drove the two back to back (perhaps a number of times) with the express purpose of trying to detect the difference, then they absolutely could. One would need to pick some driving surface that would take full advantage of the dynamic dampening of course (i.e. not a glass smooth race track).

But yes, as I said, it would nevertheless still be a subjective test.
Adaptive or not, EDC in sport is very stiff, again, I bet it would be very very difficult to tell if it was being adaptive or not.
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Adaptive or not, EDC in sport is very stiff, again, I bet it would be very very difficult to tell if it was being adaptive or not.
I agree it would be difficult, yes.
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Did it result in a improved MPG rating?

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