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      11-17-2011, 11:02 AM   #1
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LM-60s vs WS60s for GTA Winter

Hey guys,

I know there have been a lot threads discussing LM60s (or 25s) vs. the WS60 but I was hoping to get an opinion from the GTA folks on which tire performs better for our winter.

Any thoughts?

(as an aside, should I be staying away from BMW replica wheels?)
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      11-17-2011, 12:16 PM   #2
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Do you guys get plenty of ice over there? If YES then get the WS60's, if NO then LM60's will be fine. I was planning on going the LM60 route but with the amount of ice we get over here WS60 has been FANTASTIC thus far.

As for replica wheels, some will say yay some will say nay. If you're going the WS60 route then I'd suggest getting the Sport Edition A7 rims in Black from Ben@TireRack. Great wheel, excellent reviews all over the forum.

Hurry though, winters here!
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      11-17-2011, 01:17 PM   #3
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Do you guys get plenty of ice over there? If YES then get the WS60's, if NO then LM60's will be fine. I was planning on going the LM60 route but with the amount of ice we get over here WS60 has been FANTASTIC thus far.

As for replica wheels, some will say yay some will say nay. If you're going the WS60 route then I'd suggest getting the Sport Edition A7 rims in Black from Ben@TireRack. Great wheel, excellent reviews all over the forum.

Hurry though, winters here!
Trust me...I feel it!

Thanks for the tips. What are your thoughts on the WS60 on dry? And what kind of set-up do you have size wise?

(Sorry for the many questions)
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      11-17-2011, 01:25 PM   #4
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I run LM60s and they are surprisingly good on ice and packed snow. Where they fail is fresh fluffy snow. Fail is probably too harsh, but it's not a secure feel & very unpredictable traction - now you have it, now you don't kind of thing. Also, I'd prefer more aqua-planing resistance in deep slush. But for me in Toronto it's worth the trade-off, because anything good in fresh snow has to be similar to off-road tire - more squishy & noisy. If I lived north of 407 or even 401 and had to commute in any weather, I'd get WS60s.
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      11-17-2011, 01:45 PM   #5
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Trust me...I feel it!

Thanks for the tips. What are your thoughts on the WS60 on dry? And what kind of set-up do you have size wise?

(Sorry for the many questions)
WS60's are a great tire in the dry but ONLY if the temperature is like +1 or below, driving in +5 and even +8/9 the first week I got them a couple weeks ago there was quite a bit of wheel hopping (could have just been because of the tire grease though) anyhow now that the temp has dropped below 0 these tires are EXCELLENT. We had a bit of snow fall the other day that turned to ice, and I'm telling you right now that these tires performed better than my PA3's I had on my 325XI.

To the poster above, I agree with what you say and considering you are from Toronto too the OP should have more of a connection with your post and the tires. However, WS60 > LM60 especially if ice comes into the equation. I'm not looking for a performance winter tire anywhere in Canada and that's the primary function of the LM60. Also, consider the fact that I brought the 18" rims and tires for about $100 less than a set of LM60's for my ZCP rims, BRAND NEW from Ben@TireRack.
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      11-17-2011, 06:07 PM   #6
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i used ws-60 last yr on the e46
was debating if i should get the lm60

it was really good in the snow and ice.

i drive slow especially in winter, so no use of lm60 for me
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      11-17-2011, 06:45 PM   #7
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I'm in the Hamilton area and the LM60 performed great for me last winter. I don't think you can go wrong with either tire.
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Your desired wheel size choice will affect your decision. I believe WS60s only come in 18" fitments for our cars.
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Another night with snow fall and ice on the roads.. All I can say is WOW, the WS60 is truly an amazing tire choice.. I tried flooring it, tried jerking the steering wheel a tad bit aggressively and NOTHING. Obviously the LSD has a huge role in this but I couldn't be happier with the tires.

But like others are saying, especially members from Toronto if a performance orientated LM60 works then go for it..
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      11-20-2011, 05:19 PM   #10
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I'm on 265/35/19 LM-25s and they have been fantastic on loose and packed snow, and pretty good on sheer ice. As the 60s are next in the succession of the LM tire, I imagine they will perform well.

I'd imagine the conditions in Toronto can't get much worse than those in Edmonton either.
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I'm on 265/35/19 LM-25s and they have been fantastic on loose and packed snow, and pretty good on sheer ice. As the 60s are next in the succession of the LM tire, I imagine they will perform well.

I'd imagine the conditions in Toronto can't get much worse than those in Edmonton either.
I have used both the LM-25 and LM-60. The LM-25 is better on dry pavement than the LM-60 (by far IMO) but not quite as good on snow and ice. I think the LM-25 was a better overall compromise of dry/snow performance than the LM-60... except for those who see really bad winters where the added snow/ice traction of the LM-60 is worth giving up a little dry weather performance.
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I was actually surprised how well the LM-25 felt for a winter tire on dry pavement. The downside, however, is that the tire is ridiculously heavy! Each tire was probably 5-6 lbs heavier than the summer tires (conti extreme DW).
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      11-21-2011, 08:04 AM   #13
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I have only heard good things about the LM60's
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To the poster above, I agree with what you say and considering you are from Toronto too the OP should have more of a connection with your post and the tires. However, WS60 > LM60 especially if ice comes into the equation. I'm not looking for a performance winter tire anywhere in Canada and that's the primary function of the LM60. Also, consider the fact that I brought the 18" rims and tires for about $100 less than a set of LM60's for my ZCP rims, BRAND NEW from Ben@TireRack.
BMW Fanatic did you order your tires and wheels online from TireRack out of the states...or are they here in town??
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