Motorsport 24 is developing new S65 headers! - Page 5

pbonsalb · 11-28-2011, 06:39 AM

Or it could be 27 rwhp on a 600 rwhp supercharged M3 and 13 rwhp on a 350 rwhp stock M3.

Nate@IND · 11-28-2011, 09:58 AM

Update from Germany today. Good or bad once I have the dyno runs I will post them up right away.

"We hope to finish the final works on the headers this week or next week. This week is short since we go to the Essen Tuning show on Thursday and Friday."

swhat · 11-30-2011, 04:55 AM

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Definitely curious to see if it nets 10whp...

phusion974 · 12-01-2011, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BMRLVR

Most likely the primary diameter and the merge collector are the where there is room for gain. If they did some good R&D (which I assume they did and are still doing) then they could see where and how much room for improvement there was in the factory header. If they nailed the design then an increase in scavenging and flow could be achieved which would relate to power gains.

+1

mahmud///M · 12-01-2011, 12:15 PM

Updates?

Ilia@IND · 12-01-2011, 12:28 PM

We are still waiting for news from M24 at present. M24 has a short week this week due to the Essen show which has slowed them down somewhat, but we should see a final version developed very soon. I'd expect more news in the next 1-2 weeks.

BMRLVR · 12-01-2011, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ilia@IND

We are still waiting for news from M24 at present. M24 has a short week this week due to the Essen show which has slowed them down somewhat, but we should see a final version developed very soon. I'd expect more news in the next 1-2 weeks.

Excellent Ilia! Please keep this thread up to date!!!

N8dawg · 12-01-2011, 09:46 PM

IND can you confirm if the engine needs to be dropped for these headers to fit?

Kyoshi71 · 12-01-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BMRLVR

Excellent Ilia! Please keep this thread up to date!!!

+1 Brother

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Tianzo · 12-02-2011, 01:57 AM

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+1 Brother

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Seems like a no-Brainer

Really interested in these Headers if they make the supposed powers but my eyes could be playing tricks with me, but the Stock Headers looks more straight forward than the M24 Setup. I always thought that a more straight forward Header will allow more free-flowing exhaust gases and would be more optimal for Power? Please do correct me if i am mistaken. Thank you

Kyoshi71 · 12-02-2011, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Glen Peciek

We've seen many vendors get beat by the headers. What makes these any different than what's already been tried and not shown any gains?

I hear you. We'll just have to wait and see the results. The good news is they're not being marketed by any of the known dyno frauds (I was going to include names but didn't feel like seeing "Occupy Kyoshi" for the rest of the month.

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Really interested in these Headers if they make the supposed powers but my eyes could be playing tricks with me, but the Stock Headers looks more straight forward than the M24 Setup. I always thought that a more straight forward Header will allow more free-flowing exhaust gases and would be more optimal for Power? Please do correct me if i am mistaken. Thank you

Not necessarily. Having tubes that are more equal-in-length is one of the most important features a set of headers can have (actually, it's important on the intake and the exhaust [individual throttles

]. Also, straighter tubes don't always yield the best exhaust. Free-flowing is great at high rpms but what if the cost of that is a major torque dip at low rpms (which is very common when you play with tube diameter). It has to be a blend of back pressure where you need it and free-flow where that's needed. We'll see with these when they hit the dyno. How much impact will they have on a stock S65? Probably marginal.

The real question is how much impact they will have on Phil's beast with an ESS Blower!

Team Plutonium · 12-02-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kyoshi71

I hear you. We'll just have to wait and see the results. The good news is they're not being marketed by any of the known dyno frauds (I was going to include names but didn't feel like seeing "Occupy Kyoshi" for the rest of the month.

Not necessarily. Having tubes that are more equal-in-length is one of the most important features a set of headers can have (actually, it's important on the intake and the exhaust [individual throttles

]. Also, straighter tubes don't always yield the best exhaust. Free-flowing is great at high rpms but what if the cost of that is a major torque dip at low rpms (which is very common when you play with tube diameter). It has to be a blend of back pressure where you need it and free-flow where that's needed. We'll see with these when they hit the dyno. How much impact will they have on a stock S65? Probably marginal.

The real question is how much impact they will have on Phil's beast with an ESS Blower!

Dear f@cking lord... I can't wait! I'm planning to tell my wife that my current stock headers are broken and I need to replace them with these...

Ilia, back me up on this.

Ilia@IND · 12-02-2011, 10:13 AM

Yes Phil, your original headers are very broken and continued use could be extremely hazardous.

chuxdelux · 12-02-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Dear f@cking lord... I can't wait! I'm planning to tell my wife that my current stock headers are broken and I need to replace them with these...

Ilia, back me up on this.

Nice

img · 12-02-2011, 01:40 PM

RD Sport makes large tube headers for the stroker motors. Only one stroker made 408whp, while all others made between 395-403whp on the Dynojet. A stroker with factory headers made 403whp. I'm not seeing any benefit even on a stroker.
Dinan has been working on headers for more than a year. Still haven't seen them hit the market.
Gintani made large tube headers an who knows what happened to them. One car hit the drags with them and didn't do anything spectacular.
Evolve went through some headers designs and I believe they finally gave up too after concluding there's no real gains to be made there.

chungdae · 12-02-2011, 02:06 PM

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CBS · 12-02-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Dear f@cking lord... I can't wait! I'm planning to tell my wife that my current stock headers are broken and I need to replace them with these...

Ilia, back me up on this.

Philip You are Hilarious!!! I've got your back man! Matter of fact, I may use this myself.

BMRLVR · 12-02-2011, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by img

RD Sport makes large tube headers for the stroker motors. Only one stroker made 408whp, while all others made between 395-403whp on the Dynojet. A stroker with factory headers made 403whp. I'm not seeing any benefit even on a stroker.
Dinan has been working on headers for more than a year. Still haven't seen them hit the market.
Gintani made large tube headers an who knows what happened to them. One car hit the drags with them and didn't do anything spectacular.
Evolve went through some headers designs and I believe they finally gave up too after concluding there's no real gains to be made there.

I guess only time will tell if 24 Motorsport made power with these!

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