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      10-26-2011, 03:50 PM   #1
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ZCP vs HRE vs ADV.1

Got my new E90 about 2 weeks ago with the ZCP wheels:





Then last week I went with some 20" HRE 790R (Hankook Tires 305s):





And now it's 20" ADV5 Flowspecs (Hankook Tires 305s):




Conclusion: Aftermarket wheels look good, but the stock 19" ZCP wheels and P-Zero tires seem like a better choice for performance. I'll keep the stock 19s for track use. The rear slides out a lot more with the Hankook tires, maybe they just need to break in, we'll see.
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I think the reason the Hankooks break loose easier is cause they are a lower quality tire IMO.

Interesting though how you have gone up in weight with each set you put on.
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I personally prefer the 359Ms of the 3!
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I personally prefer the 359Ms of the 3!
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OEM forged 19s are actually a little bit lighter than the ZCP wheels too.
Yeah, but the OEM 220M wheels are 1/2" less wide than the ZCP wheels, so it makes since they'd be lighter.

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Plus being forged they are going to be inherently stronger.
Has anyone ever reported a cracked/broken OEM ZCP wheel? I think "stronger" might be a relative term, when describing one OEM BMW wheel vs. another.
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We obtained exactly the same weight for ZCPs in our scale, 49lbs Front and 52lbs Rear. For our 19" MonoForged VS8.2 in 19x9.0 ET22 and 19x10 ET 22 we got 47lbs and 51lbs. The front is using a 255/35/19 and the 275/35/19, about 10mm wider tires all around compared to ZCPs.



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      10-26-2011, 05:24 PM   #7
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Not really comparing apples to apples are we--why not compare similar 19" HRE/ADV wheels?

Or better yet, 18" Apex Arc8s if you are weight conscious?

I do like the look of the ZCP wheels best, except for the MORR wheels.
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Out of those 3...ZCP for sure.
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Yeah, i was pretty surprised to see how much heavier the 20" wheels are over the stock 19's. And this is with two of the top wheel brands, i dont even want to think about how heavy cheap 20" wheels weight.

The stock zcp wheels look amazing for stock wheels, but i kinda like the more aggresive look of some aftermarket wheels. This also makes your car a little more personalized. Theres thousands of other M3s out there with stock wheels, but only a handfull with this combo.
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      10-26-2011, 08:14 PM   #10
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zcp look the best on that car just a little drop and some and push them out a bit with spacers....
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the ADV.1's are cast... not a fair comparison due to the +1 in wheel diameter and extra tire weight. That is a comparison of a 19" cast wheel with a 20" (with .5" wider barrels) cast wheel, plus wider rubber.

also the HRE's are 3 piece (naturally heavier than a monoblock wheel). Not a great comparison imo.
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Yes, not a very good comparison. Don't forget to factor in the extra weight due to a 20", 305 mm wide tire - I bet it weighs 5-7 lb more than a stock 19", 265 mm wide tire. Plus all of that extra rotating mass/inertia is pretty much as far as possible from the center of the wheel!
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Yeah, i was pretty surprised to see how much heavier the 20" wheels are over the stock 19's. And this is with two of the top wheel brands, i dont even want to think about how heavy cheap 20" wheels weight.

The stock zcp wheels look amazing for stock wheels, but i kinda like the more aggresive look of some aftermarket wheels. This also makes your car a little more personalized. Theres thousands of other M3s out there with stock wheels, but only a handfull with this combo.
Are you serious about the "top wheel brands" when you include ADV??? Seriously??? ADV's are all about the bling. The do look good, but are ANCHORS!!! HRE are a very respectable wheel company, but not what I'd consider "top wheel brand" yet. A little more racing and I'll reconsider.

You want TOP WHEEL BRANDS, then look at BBS, VOLK and ADVAN.

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Are you serious about the "top wheel brands" when you include ADV??? Seriously?

You want TOP WHEEL BRANDS, then look at BBS, VOLK and ADVAN.

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Are you serious about the "top wheel brands" when you include ADV??? Seriously??? ADV's are all about the bling. The do look good, but are ANCHORS!!! HRE are a very respectable wheel company, but not what I'd consider "top wheel brand" yet. A little more racing and I'll reconsider.

You want TOP WHEEL BRANDS, then look at BBS, VOLK and ADVAN.

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I beg to differ. My 20"x11" ADV.1 ADV10's weigh in at ~26.5 pounds (about the same as a 19"x10" ZCP wheel), which is pretty respectable imo for such a big and wide 3 piece wheel without titanium fasteners. Also, their new SL line-up is supposed to be VERY light btw.
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I think this thread is getting OT kinda but my opinion is that quality is more important than weight. I don't care how light a wheel is if the quality is lower than one that is heavier.
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out of all the wheels above i like the zcp's n morr's most.
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I think the reason the Hankooks break loose easier is cause they are a lower quality tire IMO.
BINGO!
Why spend $5k+ on wheels and pair 'em up with cheap crap tires?
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20" and performance do not belong in the same sentence with our cars
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The ADV wheels you chose are VERY heavy cast wheels so the weight doesn't surprise me. That much extra unsprung weight would be felt day to day for sure.
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BINGO!
Why spend $5k+ on wheels and pair 'em up with cheap crap tires?
Nothing wrong with most Kooks.
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We obtained exactly the same weight for ZCPs in our scale, 49lbs Front and 52lbs Rear. For our 19" MonoForged VS8.2 in 19x9.0 ET22 and 19x10 ET 22 we got 47lbs and 51lbs. The front is using a 255/35/19 and the 275/35/19, about 10mm wider tires all around compared to ZCPs.



These wheels are ! What finish is that?

OP, these wheels in this grey finish would look sick on your car! Especially in 20's!
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