BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > General M3 Forum (E90 + E92 + E93)
 
Lux Angel Eyes
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-25-2011, 10:46 AM   #1
ronzride
Private
 
Drives: 2008 335i E90
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Manahawkin,NJ

Posts: 65
iTrader: (1)

No Guzzler Tax??

Went online to build a 2012 M3 coupe w/DCT, and to my surprise,there was no gas guzzler tax.Is this just a mistake on the website or are M3's getting better gas mileage these days??
ronzride is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 11:02 AM   #2
valeram
Major
 
Drives: E92 M3 DCT
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dublin, OH

Posts: 1,344
iTrader: (0)

Maybe just a mistake or it will be added at the final price.
valeram is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 11:04 AM   #3
THE TECH
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor

 
THE TECH's Avatar
 
Drives: BPMsport 2012 E92 M3
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Kansas

Posts: 13,065
iTrader: (44)

Garage List
Send a message via AIM to THE TECH Send a message via Skype™ to THE TECH
Can't anyone :? This has been talked about on so many threads already.
__________________
THE TECH is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 01:16 PM   #4
ronzride
Private
 
Drives: 2008 335i E90
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Manahawkin,NJ

Posts: 65
iTrader: (1)

The tax was posted on 2011 my builds but isn't there on the 2012 website and a search comes up with nothing......
ronzride is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 01:19 PM   #5
THE TECH
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor

 
THE TECH's Avatar
 
Drives: BPMsport 2012 E92 M3
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Kansas

Posts: 13,065
iTrader: (44)

Garage List
Send a message via AIM to THE TECH Send a message via Skype™ to THE TECH
I don't get it. When I SEARCH "gas guzzler" there are 17 pages of threads with the newest being at the top. These newer ones all have people who have asked the same thing. So how did you search and come up with nothing?
__________________
THE TECH is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 02:20 PM   #6
abehwang
Captain
 
Drives: e90 m3
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: US

Posts: 489
iTrader: (0)

Definitely getting better gas
__________________
2008 E90 M3: Alpine White/ Fox Red Novillo/ Brushed Aluminum | 6MT | Premium | Cold Weather | Technology | EPS | PDC | Ipod/USB |

Fuelly :: Adelei's Gas Mileage
abehwang is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 02:38 PM   #7
goldminer
Lieutenant
 
Drives: 2011 SG E92 M3, 6MT
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posts: 453
iTrader: (0)

In Ontario, Canada the E90 and E92 M3s were taken off of the gas guzzler tax list sometime in the 2011 model year. I bought one in February, 2011 and didn't pay it. The sales associate was quite surprised when he wrote up the bill of sale and it wasn't added by the program the dealership uses. I think that maybe the auto stop feature changed things. E93 didn't make it due to its weight.

Maybe a similar thing happened in the US? Maybe try building an E93 and see if it adds it?

Last edited by goldminer; 10-25-2011 at 03:06 PM.
goldminer is offline   Canada
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 08:55 PM   #8
Ateam
Banned
 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: USA

Posts: 1,109
iTrader: (0)

Can Ryan or another dealer confirm this? I am just curious as bmw has never "forgotten" to put the guzzler tax on their build sites for any recent car I remember.
Ateam is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-25-2011, 09:20 PM   #9
GOLFFRR
BimmerPost Supporting Vendor

 
GOLFFRR's Avatar
 
Drives: Golf Cart
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Solvang, CA/Camarillo, CA

Posts: 15,433
iTrader: (4)

Its a glich on the website the tax is still there sorry guys
__________________

BEFORE YOU BUY YOUR NEXT BMW, EMAIL US FIRST WE CAN HOOK YOU UP!
Need a quote or assistance from David? GO HERE-->http://www.bimmerdavid.com/#!blank/c1r1e
Davids current ED Special M235/228--> http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1013211
GOLFFRR is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2011, 09:48 AM   #10
ronzride
Private
 
Drives: 2008 335i E90
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Manahawkin,NJ

Posts: 65
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by THE TECH View Post
I don't get it. When I SEARCH "gas guzzler" there are 17 pages of threads with the newest being at the top. These newer ones all have people who have asked the same thing. So how did you search and come up with nothing?
Nothing official.....
ronzride is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2011, 12:12 PM   #11
kmarei
Major General
 
kmarei's Avatar
 
Drives: 1988 E30 M3 Evo II
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Reston, VA

Posts: 6,479
iTrader: (33)

Garage List
since none of the 2012s have been released yet
i don't think it's official yet
i heard from my SA that they did not retest the 2011 models after the Auto start/stop thing
so this year they are testing them
i assume that doesn't affect the mileage ratings
but if it does we might save the gas guzzler?
not sure how many miles per gallon you need to have for that
can anyone chime in?
__________________
This user has been banned from the 4 series forum because he doesn't sing its merits like the admins want us all to

kmarei is offline   Egypt
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2011, 12:15 PM   #12
SamS
Brigadier General
 
SamS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ActiveHybrid 3
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Dallas, TX

Posts: 4,509
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kmarei View Post
since none of the 2012s have been released yet
i don't think it's official yet
i heard from my SA that they did not retest the 2011 models after the Auto start/stop thing
so this year they are testing them
i assume that doesn't affect the mileage ratings
but if it does we might save the gas guzzler?
not sure how many miles per gallon you need to have for that
can anyone chime in?
It is my understanding that US EPA does not consider stop/start when determining fuel economy.

I paid for my '12 E92 M3, and there was definitely a $1300 gas guzzler charge.
SamS is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2011, 12:18 PM   #13
kmarei
Major General
 
kmarei's Avatar
 
Drives: 1988 E30 M3 Evo II
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Reston, VA

Posts: 6,479
iTrader: (33)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamS View Post
It is my understanding that US EPA does not consider stop/start when determining fuel economy.

I paid for my '12 E92 M3, and there was definitely a $1300 gas guzzler charge.
you paid a downpayment i assume
none of the 2012s have been released yet
so even the dealers don't know very much about the gas guzzler yet

i have the 1300 on my documentation too
but until the car comes out, i don't think that's 100%
__________________
This user has been banned from the 4 series forum because he doesn't sing its merits like the admins want us all to

kmarei is offline   Egypt
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2011, 12:35 PM   #14
SamS
Brigadier General
 
SamS's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 ActiveHybrid 3
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Dallas, TX

Posts: 4,509
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kmarei View Post
you paid a downpayment i assume
none of the 2012s have been released yet
so even the dealers don't know very much about the gas guzzler yet

i have the 1300 on my documentation too
but until the car comes out, i don't think that's 100%
No, my car is paid for. I picked it up in Munich already, last week.
SamS is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-26-2011, 12:37 PM   #15
M3SQRD
Colonel
 
M3SQRD's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 M3s, R56 Cooper S
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: EC

Posts: 2,436
iTrader: (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SamS View Post
It is my understanding that US EPA does not consider stop/start when determining fuel economy.

I paid for my '12 E92 M3, and there was definitely a $1300 gas guzzler charge.
That's my understanding as well - US EPA currently doesn't factor in improved fuel economy due to stop-start in their current test cycle, however, I believe that is supposed to change at some point in the future.

Also, I believe the GGT is not based on the EPA city/highway published mpg but on some other "average" mpg rating.
M3SQRD is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-27-2011, 06:35 AM   #16
bigjae1976
Takes threads off topic...daily
 
bigjae1976's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E90 M3 Individual
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Milwaukee, WI

Posts: 5,312
iTrader: (12)

Garage List
2004 BMW M3  [4.50]
2011 BMW E90 M3  [5.00]
2013 BMW 328i  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamS View Post
It is my understanding that US EPA does not consider stop/start when determining fuel economy.

I paid for my '12 E92 M3, and there was definitely a $1300 gas guzzler charge.
I believe the new test will take stop/start into consideration for future models...won't help the OP though.
__________________


Sponsored by Momentum BMW #593...We Bleed BMW BLUE!
bigjae1976 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      10-27-2011, 01:39 PM   #17
elp_jc
Brigadier General
 
Drives: .
Join Date: May 2008
Location: .

Posts: 4,910
iTrader: (0)

Start/stop is just a freaking gimmick IMO. Same crap with GM's 'skip shift' feature on manual Vettes and CTS-Vs, or gulping your big mac, biggie fries, and apple pie with a diet coke (chemicals used to suppress sugar usually do more harm than sugar). But to each his own . If you want to save gas, don't buy a freaking gas guzzler car to begin with . Have a good one gang.
elp_jc is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      10-27-2011, 02:12 PM   #18
kmarei
Major General
 
kmarei's Avatar
 
Drives: 1988 E30 M3 Evo II
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Reston, VA

Posts: 6,479
iTrader: (33)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by elp_jc View Post
Start/stop is just a freaking gimmick IMO. Same crap with GM's 'skip shift' feature on manual Vettes and CTS-Vs, or gulping your big mac, biggie fries, and apple pie with a diet coke (chemicals used to suppress sugar usually do more harm than sugar). But to each his own . If you want to save gas, don't buy a freaking gas guzzler car to begin with . Have a good one gang.
it maybe a gimmick to you, but it does drop the CO2 level by 8%
and fuel consumption by 3%.
and from a car lover, the more we can save by things like this, the longer we can keep enjoying our cars before the god damn tree huggers ban them cuz it kills baby pandas.
and if it makes no differnce on how we enjoy our cars, and it helps the enviornment, that to me a is a win-win

source:
http://www.m-power.com/_open/s/conta...lang=en&x=2074
__________________
This user has been banned from the 4 series forum because he doesn't sing its merits like the admins want us all to

kmarei is offline   Egypt
0
Reply With Quote
      11-06-2011, 11:44 AM   #19
Eau Rouge
Captain
 
Eau Rouge's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Florida's Emerald Coast

Posts: 923
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2012 BMW E92 M3  [4.50]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GOLFFRR View Post
Its a glich on the website the tax is still there sorry guys
I took what you said at face value, but still had to find it in print.

And it's true...GGT for 2012 M3.

Worse efficiency SUVs still get a pass. Where's the disincentive?

__________________
Eau Rouge is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-06-2011, 12:17 PM   #20
Ateam
Banned
 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: USA

Posts: 1,109
iTrader: (0)

Interesting with the x6 that is crazy.

I think things like stop-start is a brilliant thing from bmw because it will contribute to decreasing the CO2 and gas consumption when measured but you can turn it off when you get your car so its the best of both worlds. Keeps bmw able to continue to build high power cars but we can disable it once it arrives. Not saying this alone will enable continued production of high hp but things like this.
Ateam is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-06-2011, 12:33 PM   #21
White Shark
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: M3 Civic (Non-ZCP)
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: East Coast

Posts: 308
iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eau Rouge View Post
I took what you said at face value, but still had to find it in print.

And it's true...GGT for 2012 M3.

Worse efficiency SUVs still get a pass. Where's the disincentive?
No GGT for SUV...
__________________
White Shark is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-06-2011, 01:05 PM   #22
K-M3
Second Lieutenant
 
Drives: '12 M3
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Oklahoma

Posts: 223
iTrader: (0)

maybe its the weight issue.......and its crazy logic.......for example, the FORD F150 RAPTOR (love it by the way), although it gives like 11mpg in city and 15-16mpg on highway (EPA figures) still does not have GGT, because the amount it weighs - it lands in the "exempt" category........
K-M3 is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:14 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST