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      10-23-2011, 11:00 PM   #23
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They should let the S65 V8 and S85 V10 live on in a lightweight, rear-wheel drive sport's car. They would be sold in such small volume that they wouldn't really hurt the brand MPG rating and would please enthusiasts.

According to Audi's website, the R8 V8 weighs 3,600lbs, add that to the four-wheel drive loss and it's clear to see why a manual M3 can keep up with it.
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      10-23-2011, 11:11 PM   #24
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They should let the S65 V8 and S85 V10 live on in a lightweight, rear-wheel drive sport's car. They would be sold in such small volume that they wouldn't really hurt the brand MPG rating and would please enthusiasts.

According to Audi's website, the R8 V8 weighs 3,600lbs, add that to the four-wheel drive loss and it's clear to see why a manual M3 can keep up with it.
Yeah, but at this point in time, enthusiasts are put on the backburner.
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      10-23-2011, 11:20 PM   #25
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Yeah, but at this point in time, enthusiasts are put on the backburner.
so lets shoehorn a s65 into a miata.
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Refusing to make a diesel M car... but making M SUVs? Give me a fucking break. M = Marketing.
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Isn't the M3 an answer to Audi's R8 V8? Even the M6..

The M3 beats the R8 V8 spec in both the quarter mile and 0-60..

Edit - Just wondering..
It's not all about numbers...

There are plenty of cars that beat a M3 in 1/4 mi and 0-60...
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      10-23-2011, 11:36 PM   #28
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so lets shoehorn a s65 into a miata.
The S85 was shoehorned into an E30...
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      10-23-2011, 11:42 PM   #29
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      10-23-2011, 11:43 PM   #30
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think i saw that over in the uk. sounded pissed off as hell.
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      10-24-2011, 12:33 AM   #32
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The S85 was shoehorned into an E30...
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=576733
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      10-24-2011, 03:45 AM   #33
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      10-24-2011, 03:59 AM   #35
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They should do a Nissan Juke-R. M5 engine in a X1 with moniker like X1 4.4M, it will be so much win
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      10-24-2011, 04:25 AM   #37
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      10-24-2011, 04:58 AM   #38
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R8 and SLS are doing well.

3000~3300lb MR with 550~600hp V8 or V10 please. Turbo or N/A both fine. Make it light and it will consume less fuel.

Forget about limiting production and keep it around 110k~120k price range.
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This is all Insideline spinning quotes again. Same way they spun the AWD M5.

I was in the room- I asked the actual question.

Biermann said they have wanted to do it since the M1, and they haven't and can't. There is no business case, and hasnt been one. The board will never approve it. They can't build a case for the Z4 even with the GT3 being raced (M builds that motor BTW)

Sure they could do it but to homologate without a base BMW model would be too costly. Look at how much a GTS or CRT costs and they are based on production cars.

The CRT and GTS M3s were never board approved they were customer cars through individual. So could they do something similar and not need homologation- sure but that is not the same as building a M only car for real production.

The other thing is- BMWi is building the i8- which will be the BMW halo so why would M be working on a similar project, and why would the board ever approve a competing product?

Autoblog was in the same room and I'm pretty sure if Biermann said things how Insideline is spinning them, you would have also read it there.

Really nothing extraordinary came out if the meeting, except they found a loop hole to build the GTS and CRT models. We knew no M5 AWD and no wagons (skips a Gen). Have seen the manual spy shots etc. No Z4.

Biggest thing I learned is that the Brabham turbo was dual scroll and that the M engineer that designed that system has been and still is at M working on Turbos.
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Isn't the M3 an answer to Audi's R8 V8? Even the M6..

The M3 beats the R8 V8 spec in both the quarter mile and 0-60..

Edit - Just wondering..
if that's all it matters to you, go buy american my friend.
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I think M should make a totally bonkers version of the 6 series. Have the M6, and then something like an M6 GTS / CSL. Give it masses of power and strip pretty much everything out of it, give it a proper aggressive bodykit and sell it against cars like the Black series from Mercedes.

I still wish they'd make a production version of the M1 Hommage... its a shame the phrase "no business case" seems so common with the board, but I understand they have to keep shareholders, investors and creditors happy.
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      10-24-2011, 08:23 AM   #42
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I still wish they'd make a production version of the M1 Hommage... its a shame the phrase "no business case" seems so common with the board, but I understand they have to keep shareholders, investors and creditors happy.
I agree. ENZO would have never said that!
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i8 is very close to production, other than that... just assumptions
I belive in this project, it's something new and there are no direct competitors for a period (I don t know if Porsche 918 will be its rival )
M Division is doing a great job for a while, with e9x M3 being on top during all of its lifecycle, 1M a new and great product, the awesome F10 M5 and also with great performances for X5 / X6 M
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