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      08-14-2013, 02:41 PM   #1
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6MT 2nd gear problem in Canada?

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So I just picked up a CPO 2010 E90 M3 in 6 MT a few weeks ago and I have a hard time shifting from 1st-2nd. I would say 60% of the time, there will be some resistance/crunch when changing from 1st to 2nd in various RPMs, the other 40% would be smooth. It's a hit or miss, from what I observed.

I use to have a FRS and I thought that 2nd gear was tricky as it sometimes grinds when it's cold, but it would shift as butter when everything is up to temperature. But this M3 is so much worse than FRS, not the grinding noise, but 2nd gear is hard to get at any temperature.

I am not sure if it’s my driving habit or my 2nd gear synchro is on it’s way out… Now I see everyone say this is a common issue and I’ve seen a few people actually had their tranny replaced in the states, my car is still under original warranty till 2014 Feb and CPO warranty till 2016. I was wondering if anyone in GTA had any luck with dealer fixing this problem? Or should I just take the “This is normal for M transmission” as an answer and drive it as it is.

Thanks, your feedback is appreciated.

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      08-14-2013, 02:59 PM   #2
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Hi guys,

So I just picked up a CPO 2010 E90 M3 in 6 MT a few weeks ago and I have a hard time shifting from 1st-2nd. I would say 60% of the time, there will be some resistance/crunch when changing from 1st to 2nd in various RPMs, the other 40% would be smooth. It's a hit or miss, from what I observed.

I use to have a FRS and I thought that 2nd gear was tricky as it sometimes grinds when it's cold, but it would shift as butter when everything is up to temperature. But this M3 is so much worse than FRS, not the grinding noise, but 2nd gear is hard to get at any temperature.

I am not sure if it’s my driving habit or my 2nd gear synchro is on it’s way out… Now I see everyone say this is a common issue and I’ve seen a few people actually had their tranny replaced in the states, my car is still under original warranty till 2014 Feb and CPO warranty till 2016. I was wondering if anyone in GTA had any luck with dealer fixing this problem? Or should I just take the “This is normal for M transmission” as an answer and drive it as it is.

Thanks, your feedback is appreciated.

Regards,
Shu
There have been quite a few threads about 1-2 in these cars being kludgey. It's probably worth a trip to the dealer just to see what they think since you're in warranty anyway. FWIW, My 2013 does not have any of the 1-2 issues described by others on this forum -- so I'm not sure all the 'it's normal' talk in the other threads is truly accurate.
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      08-14-2013, 03:24 PM   #3
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On my 08 I had the transmission changed under warranty at about 45000 kms for weak syncros going into 2nd.The new transmission was still very notchy but did not grind on upshifts.
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I have the same problem on mine. Don't power shift into second. It's the only gear that can't handle it. I know it's fun going from first to second in a rush, but not worth hearing that nasty grinding noise coming from your tranny.
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      08-14-2013, 09:00 PM   #5
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I do not have the 2nd gear issues and really do not understand with 2nd gear issues. I never had the problem shifting 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 1st almost at any speed.Most definitely get your transmission check out from the dealer and stating firmly that you don't feel right about 1st to 2nd gear shifting.
Do not take NO for an answer.
You should be able to shift as fast as any cars on the market.

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      08-14-2013, 09:03 PM   #6
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CPO E90 2008 that I bought 03-2013 - does the same thing. The second is always tricky...

Dealer is aware of it, they'll check it next time I go.
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      08-14-2013, 11:17 PM   #7
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Alright thanks for the feedback guys, I have an appointment with Serpa tomorrow morning. We'll see how things go... Now see how many people with no problem, I definitely feel my 2nd has some problems
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I had a problem like that for 3rd gear, it was a bad sychro and I got the transmission replaced under warranty.
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      08-15-2013, 04:18 PM   #9
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So I got back from Serpa, 2 technicians drove it and they said it didn't feel any different than other m3s that they drove. I went on a drive with one of the tech and I saw him shifting really slow and was granny shifting below 3k rpm, I'm not sure why he didn't do any fast or high speed shifts...
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So why didn't you ask him to punch it on the ride along?

IMO if you had 2 techs tell you it was fine then it probably is.
I asked him, but he just continued his own way of driving it... I even told him there are problems downshifting from 3rd to 2nd but he never downshifted...
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I find when I shift 1 to 2 at higher revs it is a lot smoother and when I shift from 1 to 2 at low revs I feel the notchy feeling I think you are describing
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Ok so why didn't you stop, switch places and drive with him as the passenger so you could show him what was supposably wrong?
lol but he had the feel the shifter, the noise isn't all that loud it's more of feeling something is in the way between 1st-2nd.
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OP, if you are not getting anywhere with the dealer, take your car to an indep and see what they say.

I know you have factory warranty on your car but getting a second opinion may help your case in telling the dealer what may be the issue. Since you are in Richmond Hill/Markham area, may I suggest you take it to Darren, he is the owner and also certified bmw mechanic.

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No dealership will view this as a defect. Under "Normal" shifting activity, the car will go into 2nd with no problems. Throwing it into 2nd gear as fast as possible is not a good idea. Although I'm guilty of doing it myself from time to time, the M3 isn't an actual race car, despite what people think.

Maybe DCT would be a better option. Nothing shifts faster then a computer assisted transmission.

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No dealership will view this as a defect. Under "Normal" shifting activity, the car will go into 2nd with no problems. Throwing it into 2nd gear as fast as possible is not a good idea. Although I'm guilty of doing it myself from time to time, the M3 isn't an actual race car, despite what people think.

Maybe DCT would be a better option. Nothing shifts faster then a computer assisted transmission.
I see your point, but I don't think we need a race car to be able to perform fast shift, any reasonably priced sporty car should be able to perform fairly quick shift without any problems. My previous 25k FR-S can perform shifts at any speed flawlessly, so did my friend's 1997 camry solara 5MT with 250k on the clock...
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OP, if you are not getting anywhere with the dealer, take your car to an indep and see what they say.

I know you have factory warranty on your car but getting a second opinion may help your case in telling the dealer what may be the issue. Since you are in Richmond Hill/Markham area, may I suggest you take it to Darren, he is the owner and also certified bmw mechanic.

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Thanks, I'll let him test drive it and see what he thinks.
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I see your point, but I don't think we need a race car to be able to perform fast shift, any reasonably priced sporty car should be able to perform fairly quick shift without any problems. My previous 25k FR-S can perform shifts at any speed flawlessly, so did my friend's 1997 camry solara 5MT with 250k on the clock...
Best of luck man. I hope you find a resolution that's suitable for your driving habits.
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On my 08 I had the transmission changed under warranty at about 45000 kms for weak syncros going into 2nd.The new transmission was still very notchy but did not grind on upshifts.
When they replaced your transmission did you have trouble getting into reverse afterwards?
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I had a problem like that for 3rd gear, it was a bad sychro and I got the transmission replaced under warranty.
You were lucky with yours....

I had mine replaced 3 weeks ago and now I cant get into reverse 90% of the time....
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Hi guys,

So I just picked up a CPO 2010 E90 M3 in 6 MT a few weeks ago and I have a hard time shifting from 1st-2nd. I would say 60% of the time, there will be some resistance/crunch when changing from 1st to 2nd in various RPMs, the other 40% would be smooth. It's a hit or miss, from what I observed.

I use to have a FRS and I thought that 2nd gear was tricky as it sometimes grinds when it's cold, but it would shift as butter when everything is up to temperature. But this M3 is so much worse than FRS, not the grinding noise, but 2nd gear is hard to get at any temperature.

I am not sure if it’s my driving habit or my 2nd gear synchro is on it’s way out… Now I see everyone say this is a common issue and I’ve seen a few people actually had their tranny replaced in the states, my car is still under original warranty till 2014 Feb and CPO warranty till 2016. I was wondering if anyone in GTA had any luck with dealer fixing this problem? Or should I just take the “This is normal for M transmission” as an answer and drive it as it is.

Thanks, your feedback is appreciated.

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1st to 2nd is a bit notchy and has always been to a degree on the BMWs I have driven. I find if you go to higher revs in 1st before the change you can be smoother, but it takes practice to hit the sweet spot. The opposite is also true - rev to 2500-3500 and make the shift slowly and smoothly into second.

Remember also that you don't have to necessarily put the clutch to the floor before engaging the next gear.

Good practice with the clutch release point - is to start off in 1st gear without using the gas - only easing the clutch slowly to see where the engagement point is. You won't stall the car if you do this correctly.

The 1 to 2 shift is also more pronounced when the engine is cold and below operating temperature. When the temperature hits operating levels this shift feels easier. So be easy until you reach engine temps especially in winter.

The degree of notchiness is in the eye of the beholder. So it cannot hurt to have your dealer give you their opinion.

The MT is not the best stoplight screamer from 1st to 2nd unless you rev higher.

Hell I get my ass handed to me by Prius drivers at stoplights with normal gear shifts all the time.

After 2nd gear however - watch out. That is when this car comes into its own.
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When they replaced your transmission did you have trouble getting into reverse afterwards?
Nope.I have not really been very impressed with BMW's manual transmissions since my E28 M5.Seems as the power & rev's went up they became much more truckish to drive and shift.Drive something like a GT 500 Super Snake with over 700 ft lbs of torque and see how well it shifts compared to an M3 manual
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You were lucky with yours....

I had mine replaced 3 weeks ago and now I cant get into reverse 90% of the time....
Take it back ... tell them its still not fixed and let them handle the rest, dont loose sleep over it I know what its like.
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