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      10-19-2011, 03:24 PM   #23
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.380 is an anemic round for personal protection.

9mm or "better"

to answer your question:

Walther PPS

Or Glock 36.

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It was initially at the top of my list when I was in the market for a conceal carry. The integrated laser was actually a great selling point. But the more I read into the FTF, FTE issues, laser button issues, and problems with the takedown lever, the more I lost hope for the gun. It killed me to know a company like S&W would let a product like they ever hit the streets, even if it was initial release. If indeed they have resolved their quality control issues, that is good to hear.
Really? because of the laser? Laser is such a vanity item.
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.380 is an anemic round for personal protection.

9mm or "better"

to answer your question:

Walther PPS

Or Glock 36.

/END THREAD


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Really? because of the laser? Laser is such a vanity item.
BS. the sight picture on such a small gun is not fantastic. when you're buying a weapon specifically FOR personal protection, a laser is a good item to have. especially at night. it's not a novelty, it's extremely practical.
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.380 is an anemic round for personal protection.

9mm or "better"

to answer your question:

Walther PPS

Or Glock 36.

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there's one in every bunch. you willing to stand downrange and catch a few PDX rounds out of my gun?
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Really? because of the laser? Laser is such a vanity item.
yeah, because when you are in a life/death situation, you have all the time in the world to. "Hey guy trying to kill me, can you wait a second so I can aim my gun at you"?

The gun is designed so you can draw and activate the laser at the same time.
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yeah, because when you are in a life/death situation, you have all the time in the world to. "Hey guy trying to kill me, can you wait a second so I can aim my gun at you"?

The gun is designed so you can draw and activate the laser at the same time.
subcompact is meant for close-range, quick-draw and shoot situation. I can bet a horse that even with the laser, you instinct is to draw and shoot. You are not going to have time for your eyes to focus on the dot before pulling the trigger.

Just practice more at the range and you won't need a laser for a subcompact.
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You are not going to have time for your eyes to focus on the dot before pulling the trigger.

Just practice more at the range and you won't need a laser for a subcompact.
That's the idea, there is no need to focus. Put the dot where you want to shoot and pull the trigger. No, no one "needs" a laser...
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      10-19-2011, 04:18 PM   #31
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Kimber Ultra RCP II or the Kahr PM40. I know someone posted the Kahr broke, but mine has been super reliable and accurate.
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At the same time I bought my Smith Wesson M&P9mm, a buddy purchased a .380 Bodyguard to keep in the truck and shop. We have taken both guns to the range, and we both HATE shooting the .380BG as much as we love the M&P 9. He is already in the market for a new CC firearm.
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      10-19-2011, 06:19 PM   #33
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I carry an XD40. Great reliability. Lack of external safety is an issue for some. I have no problem with it.
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At the same time I bought my Smith Wesson M&P9mm, a buddy purchased a .380 Bodyguard to keep in the truck and shop. We have taken both guns to the range, and we both HATE shooting the .380BG as much as we love the M&P 9. He is already in the market for a new CC firearm.
there's a big difference between a gun for CC and a gun to 'keep in the truck and shop'. i once heard someone say that a pocket gun isn't supposed to be fun to shoot, it's supposed to be something you can easily conceal and hope you never have to use. i shoot mine just so that i know i can put a round where i want to, not because i enjoy it.
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Kimber Ultra RCP II or the Kahr PM40. I know someone posted the Kahr broke, but mine has been super reliable and accurate.
I EDC the Kahr PM9. 1000 rounds with no malfunctions.
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I EDC the Kahr PM9. 1000 rounds with no malfunctions.
how many kills?
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If you are looking for a "pocket gun" and you want to stick with a 9mm and/or a Sig then check out the P290. They may be a little hard to find right now because it's a pretty new gun.
If you are open to other brands then you should look into:
Kimber Solo
Kahr PM9
Ruger LC9
Glock 26
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I am in the market for a new firearm. I want a conceal and carry weapon.
I currently own a Compact Sig P229 but is a little too large for cc duty.
What are you guys using? I am heavily leaning towards the glock 26 but,
the xd9 isn't out of the question either. any other recommendations of different guns?
The XD9 is a large gun as well. I have the 40 and I LOVE it. I recommend it to everyone. The M is even better.
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I am in the market for a new firearm. I want a conceal and carry weapon.
I currently own a Compact Sig P229 but is a little too large for cc duty.
What are you guys using? I am heavily leaning towards the glock 26 but,
the xd9 isn't out of the question either. any other recommendations of different guns?
Have you considered revolvers with concealed hammer / "hammerless"? Charter Arms and Taurus make them. One downside is that they all 5 rounds.
But, they are probably as concealed as concealed get. If $#it hits the fan you don't even have to take it out of your pocket.

If you're comfortable with Glock 26, you should also consider Glock 27 - Same size, .40 cal, 9 rounds. Or, Glock 33 - same size, .357 cal, 9 rounds.

There are also few guns even smaller than Glock 26 / 27 / 33.
- Taurus 709 (9mm) or 740 (.40) - only 6" long.
- Taurus Millenium Pro - 6.125" long, and comes in variety of colors and finishes.

Then there is Walter PPK, which is also 6.125" long, but less bulky.

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You should consider the 27, you lose a couple rounds but it's a 40cal round vs 9mm round.
Just one round less, actually.

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I have a Sig P232. Perfect size. Although .380 rounds are extremely hard to find. I had to pay $30+ for a box of 50 target rounds. Ridiculous
Price depends greatly on brand (read "quality"). Rounds made by Ultramax are the cheapest. Federal Cartridge, Winchester, Hornady, and CCI cost more, but they are better quality.

$30+ for a box of 50 target rounds does sounds bit excessive. They were not hollow points, were they?

I can get you rounds for less than that. PM, if you're interested.
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XDM or Sig P230 are what I'd like for subcompact...but I think it's always important to find something that feels right in your hand.

As far as lasers go, I think you will be dependent on finding the lasers before shooting. It can be a deterrent if someone sees it land on them, but in a real situation, by the time you find the dot it may be too late. If you pull out the gun at all, unless you're a hothead, you're already in a bad situation. If you're a hothead, you shouldn't even carry because it can be more trouble than help. I've never been in situations where a gun was a necessity.
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there's one in every bunch. you willing to stand downrange and catch a few PDX rounds out of my gun?
No I'm not.

And I'm not saying a .380 won't kill someone.

a .22LR will kill someone.

However, if you have a CHOICE, why choose something inferior?

If you and I are 20 feet away from each other and we both shoot each other, and you shoot me with your anemic .380, and I shoot you with my Glock 36, who will fair better?

I would choose a .380 over NOTHING, obviously. The point is WHY choose a .380 when there are plenty of better options?

I own a .380 btw. But I would never carry it for personal protection. Not that I can carry anymore
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Glock 26 or XD 3 inch..

They are pretty heavy though. 25-28 ounces.
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I carry a G26 in the summer, G23 in the winter (I know, I know, I should have gone with the G27 - but I have confidence in 9mm JHPs). Ruger LCP when I'm in a hurry. P229 as the "nightstand" gun.

I recommend the 26, but you need to find what fits YOU.
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No I'm not.

And I'm not saying a .380 won't kill someone.

a .22LR will kill someone.

However, if you have a CHOICE, why choose something inferior?

If you and I are 20 feet away from each other and we both shoot each other, and you shoot me with your anemic .380, and I shoot you with my Glock 36, who will fair better?

I would choose a .380 over NOTHING, obviously. The point is WHY choose a .380 when there are plenty of better options?

I own a .380 btw. But I would never carry it for personal protection. Not that I can carry anymore
I wouldn't want to stand in front of a .380 round.
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