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      10-10-2011, 07:48 AM   #23
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How does .5s difference from 0-200 km/h translates to several bus lengths? U sure?
Ever been in a 1/4 mile race?
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Ever been in a 1/4 mile race?
Yeah, but those cars in question were much slower, so not exactly helpful in this case. Seriously though, i am really keen to know. How do u work out the difference? Mathematically or anecdotal? I am really hoping that the F10 M5 would bloody murder the E60 M5. A few buses in length would be really nice so long as we are not talking mini-bus here
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Using the MotorTrend drag race, the 1st (GTR) and 4th (SLS) is .5 sec apart. A little less than 2 bus length.

http://hypebeast.com/2011/09/2011-mo...ag-race-video/

If the F10 M5 really does 124mph in 13s, it would be annihilated in this company.
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      10-10-2011, 08:09 PM   #26
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Using the MotorTrend drag race, the 1st (GTR) and 4th (SLS) is .5 sec apart. A little less than 2 bus length.

http://hypebeast.com/2011/09/2011-mo...ag-race-video/

If the F10 M5 really does 124mph in 13s, it would be annihilated in this company.
That's in a 1/4 mile, but we are comparing speed right now, not distance. and at 124 the F10 M5 has traveled further than 0.25 miles. The higher the speed, the longer the distance gap between two cars that are 0.5 seconds apart.
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That's in a 1/4 mile, but we are comparing speed right now, not distance. and at 124 the F10 M5 has traveled further than 0.25 miles. The higher the speed, the longer the distance gap between two cars that are 0.5 seconds apart.
Actually the top few cars all clocked almost 124mph by the end of the quarter mile, which means 0-200km/h is quite equivalent to a quarter mile race. The only hope is that BMW is underquoting its performance.
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200kph = 200,000m/3600s = 55.555m/s

0.5s x 55.55m/s = 27.777m (E92 M3 is at 4.6m in length). that gives you 6 car lengths.

if you need ft, it is ~84.7 ft

Keep this in mind, in 13s you will leave the other car about 6 lengths behind you. That means on average you are faster than the other car by a car length every 2 seconds. Who would not think this is considerably faster???
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200kph = 200,000m/3600s = 55.555m/s

0.5s x 55.55m/s = 27.777m (E92 M3 is at 4.6m in length). that gives you 6 car lengths.

if you need ft, it is ~84.7 ft

Keep this in mind, in 13s you will leave the other car about 6 lengths behind you. That means on average you are faster than the other car by a car length every 2 seconds. Who would not think this is considerably faster???
I for one do not consider that to be enough. Anyway, let's leave it till they line them up on a strip and we'll all know.
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I for one do not consider that to be enough. Anyway, let's leave it till they line them up on a strip and we'll all know.
you can always need/want more power and nobody is saying that is a bad thing. however, you are comparing the M5 to M5. what do you expect? progress takes many forms and speed is only one of them.
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I for one do not consider that to be enough. Anyway, let's leave it till they line them up on a strip and we'll all know.
And don't forget that the new M5 is about 200 lb heavier and only 50 bhp more than the old M5.....so in this conditions, 6 car lenghts at 124 mph is quite impressive.
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200kph = 200,000m/3600s = 55.555m/s

0.5s x 55.55m/s = 27.777m (E92 M3 is at 4.6m in length). that gives you 6 car lengths.

if you need ft, it is ~84.7 ft
I have to point out what I calculated above is just the distance car travels at that speed. We need to keep in mind cars don't accelerate linearly. Every car has its line (curvy line at that). Example we see in that drag race, GT-R will take the 1/4 mile but it is considerably slower than 458 at the speed trap. Its curve rises more at the beginning of the run (we know this because of the high torque it has) but as speed increases HP takes over. As one of the comment says: I wonder what would happen if they continued. Well, simply 458 would take over.
Now let's go back to M5. Even though we have so many things that affect the acceleration lets just focus on few. We have now few things going in favor of new M5. First, lot higher toque throughout the power band. This should give this acceleration curve more rise at the beginning compared to E60 M5 even though it weights more. Second, its time to 200kph is said to be .5 sec faster than E60 M5. Third, we know E60 M5 HP will never compensate later on since new M5 has 550HP. In reality we may be looking a lot more than 6 car lengths for a race from 0-200kph.
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13s at 124, I can't really picture that in my head, 124 is FAST for 13s..I wonder if 13s was the worst time, and 124 was the average trap...and if they are using launch control.
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Yes, not to mention Panamera Turbo with Porsche powerkit (540 hp) does 0-200 kph in 11.8 seconds...so it is well behind there.

http://imageshack.us/f/52/panamera6.jpg/
Panamera can do 0-200 in 9s for all i care, but with those hideous looks and price, it will never get another look by me. The last i read, the Panamera Turbo gets lousy review, even loosing out to its non turbo sibling. Try not to barge into any discussion waving a P flag if u can, please. It's getting really annoying. U really should join another forum. If i had wanted a P, i would have bought one. I wouldn't drive a Panamera around even if it was given to me.
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I wouldn't drive a Panamera around even if it was given to me.
Let's not exaggerate

I would drive any Panamera which was given for free, especially the turbo ones
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Let's not exaggerate

I would drive any Panamera which was given for free, especially the turbo ones
Ok, maybe i exaggerated. I will sell it in a heart beat and buy something else

Anyway, i just came back from the M dealer. Placed a refundable deposit for the new M5. My order is not confirmed as they need to somehow squeeze my order in for Dec production. Ordered a Frozen Grey from the Individual color range Delivery is Feb 2012 if order goes thru.
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why would i spend 100 grand on an M5 when i can spend 100 grand on an E63 amg and get better performance? just dont know why bmw didnt clearly raise the bar and move into a different stratosphere.
how many stratospheres are there?
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Let's not exaggerate

I would drive any Panamera which was given for free, especially the turbo ones
i want a free Panamera turbo s fully loaded.......

.... too much time for day dreaming.... what a slow day..
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why would i spend 100 grand on an M5 when i can spend 100 grand on an E63 amg and get better performance? just dont know why bmw didnt clearly raise the bar and move into a different stratosphere.
1) the m5 has dct (if thats your thing) or will be offered in 6mt unlike the merc

2) if straightline speed is your thing, insane power in both cars is only a tune and a couple mods away

However, I do agree that the m5 seems to be getting a bit fat. I think the size of the current m3 is a great dd size.
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And don't forget that the new M5 is about 200 lb heavier and only 50 bhp more than the old M5.....so in this conditions, 6 car lenghts at 124 mph is quite impressive.
The max hp number, as important as it is, don't tell the whole story. New M5 has a turbo engine, means that the area under the HP curve is greater than the old M5, which had NA engine.
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If u are spending this kind of money in this segment, u are not likely to choose one over the other simply becos one is slightly quicker. Things like image and character (handling/comfort balance) matters most. A lot of people associate themselves either with BMW or Merc, but not always both.
It is probably just me, but discussing the handling of 4000+lbs cars just sounds funny
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Ok, maybe i exaggerated. I will sell it in a heart beat and buy something else

Anyway, i just came back from the M dealer. Placed a refundable deposit for the new M5. My order is not confirmed as they need to somehow squeeze my order in for Dec production. Ordered a Frozen Grey from the Individual color range Delivery is Feb 2012 if order goes thru.
Good luck with the M5. Appears to be a fantastic car and one that I would not hesitate buying if I was looking for something that size. The Benz, Panamera, A8, CTS-V would not even enter the consideration pool.

I do agree with you on the Panamera....IMO it is one of the ugliest cars on the road today. It's a damn shame too.. as the performance and interior are simply amazing.
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Good luck with the M5. Appears to be a fantastic car and one that I would not hesitate buying if I was looking for something that size. The Benz, Panamera, A8, CTS-V would not even enter the consideration pool.

I do agree with you on the Panamera....IMO it is one of the ugliest cars on the road today. It's a damn shame too.. as the performance and interior are simply amazing.
Yeah, the only car uglier is the 5GT Agree on the interior. The opulence and class is remarkable! Porsche have themselves to blame by trying too hard to capitalize on the form of the 911 by making the Panamera look like a stretched frog.
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It is probably just me, but discussing the handling of 4000+lbs cars just sounds funny
It might not be that funny afterall. The sales manager i spoke to yest just came back from a M training in Europe and he said the M5 handles exceedingly well and hides its weight very effectively. It sounds awesome and very sharp at the helm. He also mentioned that the engineers told him the S63TU shares only the engine block with the S63 in the X5/6M despite the minor revision in engine code. They did back to back drive against the E63 and another car (i can't remember which) and the M5 came up tops. They didn't drag the cars though, but took them thru the track and B roads.
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