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      09-19-2011, 12:17 AM   #1
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Anyone who has driven an m5/m6 chime in

I have not had the pleasure to ever drive the M6/M5 V10 engined cars and was curious to how the m3 compares in regards to speeds under 90mph. My understanding is that the M5/6 clearly pulls ahead and keeps pulling hard at any higher speed.

My question is more about the "feel" of acceleration in 1st and 2nd gears. Does the m5 feel that much stronger than the pull of the m3 at those middle speeds or do they pull pretty equally? Looking for the "throw you into the seat" comparo in 1st and 2nd.

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I haven't driven M5/M6, but I do meet from time to time an M5 on traffic and start some sort of playing...and my observation is that in 1st and 2nd gears we pull both just as strong, as neither of us can really shake the other.

Never managed to go over 60-70 mph in this kind of play, so I don't know how it is at triple digit speed, I can only assume that the M5 would pull stronger.

On the other hand, up to 60-70 mph even less powerful cars can keep up with the M3 as well....it's after that the M3 blows everyone's doors off.
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I have driven an M6. It's similar in performance without the power button pushed.

Once the power button is pushed it's much faster. The pull at 90mph in third gear is incredible.
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I have not had the pleasure to ever drive the M6/M5 V10 engined cars and was curious to how the m3 compares in regards to speeds under 90mph. My understanding is that the M5/6 clearly pulls ahead and keeps pulling hard at any higher speed.

My question is more about the "feel" of acceleration in 1st and 2nd gears. Does the m5 feel that much stronger than the pull of the m3 at those middle speeds or do they pull pretty equally? Looking for the "throw you into the seat" comparo in 1st and 2nd.

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The 'throw' is much greater with power button on... and what's crazy is 3rd & 4th still 'feel like' 1st & 2nd in acceleration terms. Great car... but be ready for 14MPG.

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In 1st/2nd the acceleration about the same as the M3 though the V10 makes a bit more torque (stock is around 320lb-ft to the rear wheels vs. around 265 on an M3) so you do feel that, but actual performance is about the same. Once you're in third gear it's all over, the V10 pulls harder all the way to the end.
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In 1st/2nd the acceleration about the same as the M3 though the V10 makes a bit more torque (stock is around 320lb-ft to the rear wheels vs. around 265 on an M3) so you do feel that, but actual performance is about the same. Once you're in third gear it's all over, the V10 pulls harder all the way to the end.
This is exactly what I was going to say. From a standstill, a good M3 driver can easily stick with an M5 or M6 up to and just past 60 mph. Once you reach the 1/4 mile, the M5/M6 will just pull hard and walk you by a car length or two per 5-10 mph. It's pretty amazing how special that V10 really is when you get into it.

I will say, though, the M3 feels a little more nimble and agile, obviously. But at lower speeds, I've always felt as though the M3 is just slightly more active and will react quicker to changes in throttle and steering.

With that said, I looked at an 2007-'08 M5 and M6 that were selling for $50K-$52K when I was buying my M3. The only reason I went with the M3 was due to a small advantage in gas mileage, but also the fact that my car is an '09... Plus, the M3 has been my dream car for a long time. The M5 and M6 are fantastic, but I'm the type who likes to build up to the higher end cars. The other thing that worried me was how well that V10 would hold up after years of normal driving and abuse...
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Well I hope with the power button off on the m5 it would not be faster given that it would have less hp than the m3 and be 600 pounds heavier!

I obviously was talking with the P500 mode engaged. I really was torn between a used M5/6 but for me it was completely about wanting a new car for a number of reasons. One main one is the taughtness and tightness that comes with a new car and its suspension, fit and finish. Part of the car experience for me is enjoying everything from performance to the giddy feeling of having a brand new car. If it were all about performance numbers I do not think any bmw would be in my garage. With that said I still really am sad that I was not in a position to buy a new m5 or m6 while they were still offered. If they offered them new now I would love it, even the old bodystyle as long as they made one new!

I wish bmw would do what nike does and offer the "old" styles of shoes every few years to people made brand new. They often come out with older styles reproduced. Obviously this could not happen with a car company but how cool would it be to order a brand new e46 m3 or e60 m5 today!
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I've driven an M5, it was an '08 and honestly didn't think it was all that amazing. I only test drove it and went on the highway and all that but if the SMG is in auto-mode the car is really jerky from first to second and I think then to third. Otherwise with the M button engaged the thing roared and hauled ass. The M5 is a large car and I don't think I can corner as well in it as I can in, say, an M3. The styling is not all that great but I do appreciate it. An M6 owner I know hated sold his car after driving it in snow and said it was like a sleigh. He "upgraded" to a Jaguar XK-R which is pretty amazing though. lol: The M5/6 V10 engine is a true beauty and you can definitely feel it. They're fine cars overall but the M3 is just superior.
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Oh, and yes the car will jerk you back from time to time.
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My experience with my modded, but still N/A M3 against modded N/A M5/6 is that up to 100, the M3 has the advantage; from 100 - 120, the cars are about even; from 120 and up, the modded M5/6 starts to pull, but not drastically.

I have a DCT, so that could be part of the difference vs. the experience of others.

Unfortunately OP, I cannot comment on feel because I have never taken an M5/6 above 80mph.....and when I did drive it, I had two other people in the car.
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Hey dodge what mods are we talking about here?

Interesting the various opinions. What made me think of this was an old video on youtube from m5board with the runway races that do a rolling start from 50km per hour or so up to about 150mph.

The M6 absolutely obliterated the M3 each time, very quickly and by a large large margin. I just thought it was a bit closer but 500 hp V10 is absolutely amazing. Its so crazy to see the big m5 sedan pull on lambo's porsche turbos and almost any other stock vehicle of its time.

Amazing the top end these things have. Even against the R8/lambo v10, the M5 just kept pulling like an ox well beyond the point the Lambo v10 was pulling. Impressive given the price point.

I really really am sad I will never get to own an m5/6, if not for the exhaust note alone. Ideally when I have more money I would pick up a used one for an extra car to collect. Would be nice to hold onto an m3 V8 and M5 V10 for awhile.
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My experience is based upon environments that are less then controlled...ie, not abandoned air strips. I haven't had a problem pulling ahead and staying ahead of stock M5/6's. As a point of comparison, my car runs dead even with a GT3 with full exhaust driven by a competent driver from 0 - 130+.

My car = the standard list without software (full exhaust/no CATS, pulley, air filter, scoops).
M5/6 = full exhaust + filter; not sure about software
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I agree with dodge2dub....ive been dead even with my good friend's 2010 M6 SMG (rpi scoops and filters) up until 130-140 if we start from a 40 roll and from there on out he starts creeping away (not walking hard)....if we start from a 20 I pull a car and hold it until that speed...I am DCT and FBO with a custom tune and weight reduction...Ill be running a modded e60 M5 SMG this friday will make sure to post video [....for comparisons sake I pull on a stock M3 by 8+ cars]
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Interesting, seems quite variable based on people's experience. Youtube vid must have been a poor run for the m3 as it literally got anhilitated.
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m3 will get hammered after 80, point blank. People coming in here talking about mods and what not.. jeez.

OP didn't ask for that.
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I will say, though, the M3 feels a little more nimble and agile
More than a little... My M3 was quite a lot more agile than my M6. This played out pretty clearly at the track, too. On the front straight I was touching about 10mph higher than the M3s, but they were so much faster through the curves that I would point them by, otherwise they were just going to be stuck behind me. It's just part of the price of having a larger/heavier car with a bigger engine up front.
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I've driven an M5, it was an '08 and honestly didn't think it was all that amazing. I only test drove it and went on the highway and all that but if the SMG is in auto-mode the car is really jerky from first to second and I think then to third. Otherwise with the M button engaged the thing roared and hauled ass. The M5 is a large car and I don't think I can corner as well in it as I can in, say, an M3. The styling is not all that great but I do appreciate it. An M6 owner I know hated sold his car after driving it in snow and said it was like a sleigh. He "upgraded" to a Jaguar XK-R which is pretty amazing though. lol: The M5/6 V10 engine is a true beauty and you can definitely feel it. They're fine cars overall but the M3 is just superior.
the M3 is superior? That's a dumb comment. I hope your not one of those "yeah look at me, I drive the M3, its the best car in the world, blah blah" types. These are two different classes of cars, each with it's own attributes, performance characteristics, and marketed to certain types of customers. I've driven both e9x and e60, owned a e46 M3, and I love them all, and they are unique in their own way.

Apples and Oranges. Sure the M3 is quicker around corners, and more nimble, and probably a better track car, but the M5 is in a league of its own.

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the M3 is superior? That's a dumb comment. I hope your not one of those "yeah look at me, I drive the M3, its the best car in the world, blah blah" types. These are two different classes of cars, each with it's own attributes, performance characteristics, and marketed to certain types of customers. I've driven both, owned a e46 M3, and I love both cars, but they are just different.

Apples and Oranges. Sure the M3 is quicker around corners, and more nimble, and probably a better track car, but the M5 is in a league of its own.
A reminder that you're on the M3 board. The bias is expected.
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In 1st/2nd the acceleration about the same as the M3 though the V10 makes a bit more torque (stock is around 320lb-ft to the rear wheels vs. around 265 on an M3) so you do feel that, but actual performance is about the same. Once you're in third gear it's all over, the V10 pulls harder all the way to the end.
hate to break it to you, but that's at the crank. Torque gets multiplied through the gearbox/drive train and is MUCH higher at the rear wheels.
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hate to break it to you, but that's at the crank. Torque gets multiplied through the gearbox/drive train and is MUCH higher at the rear wheels.
Please explain with a comparison to the M5 wheel torque.

This is what I found....despite the 265 TQ at the crank, the M3 puts down 300 at the wheels around 3.5K RPM.
http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=23608
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Please explain with a comparison to the M5 wheel torque.

This is what I found....despite the 265 TQ at the crank, the M3 puts down 300 at the wheels around 3.5K RPM.
http://forums.carmudgeons.com/showthread.php?t=23608
Did you even look at the graphs?

3.5K rpm in what gear?
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