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      09-18-2011, 11:37 AM   #111
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I love how a car that is relatively near the end of its life cycle is still so competitive.
What disappoints me the most is the RS5. It is such a beautiful car that I really wanted Audi to get it right. That would be a car I would have liked to own but it seems to be universally disliked (well, the least favourite) in its class. Too bad.
My thoughts too. Love the quality of the RS5 and I prefer its looks. But from the truly excellent RS4 -> RS5 somehow the engineers must have lost the secret sauce. I don't blame my mates who own the RS4 for hanging on to them and maybe Audi will return to the finesse of that model in the next iteration.

Another thought: recall how the initial reviews of the E9x M3 were not so favorable, discussing weight and less-than-ideal steering feel (the V8 was typically acclaimed). It seems to me that this M3 has grown in stature over time - great job.
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I don't know why automotive journalists continue to waste their time trying to compare other cars against the M3 (or really any 3-series for that matter).

The M3 is arguably the best car ever built, and these yahoos wanted to test it against a Mustang????
Jeez the faboy'ism is insane from some of you. Your saying it's prohibited to make comparisons to an m3 because no other car is worthy? Jeez. Well that Mustang you so condescendingly speak of is faster than your m3. No questions about it, it is a faster car. Is that car less of a compromise than an m3? Absolutely, it is much more focused, but for many that is a plus.
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      09-18-2011, 06:03 PM   #118
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I love reading articles like this. Just makes my decision to jump on the M3 that much more satisfying. At the end of the day, it's not all about numbers. M3 has less HP than the rest, but still flies. I think so much of the goodness the M3 has to offer eludes me because I'm just an average driver. I don't track or do crazy stuff on the road. I'm sure I'd have been just as happy with the Benz or the Audi. However, I feel like I got a winner.

Someone on the forum told me to be careful. Saying there's a lot of power at my disposal. The other day, I found out what he meant. I was scared out of my mind. What a car!
Much like you I don't track my car(s) nor do I do crazy stuff on the road. However, once you drive it you will have the power at your disposal when you do need it. Case in point my former M3 (2002 e46) saved my life in 2004, I over took a truck and the driver being asleep swayed into my lane almost pushing me over the cliff. If I did not have the 303 HP at my disposal at the time I'll be a goner and so would have been the truck driver.

I put my foot to the floor and my hands on the horn, I got out off his way and he found himself napping and my horn woke him up. I know this since in my rearview mirror I saw him barley correcting himself on the road swaying from side to side.

Bottom line, I purchase the power for safety so the power is there when I need it You will know what I mean once you drive your own M3
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love the M3....so much for the much hyped Boss 302. Also, the Mustang in that side rear shot next to M3 looks like a huge boat. The Mustang just looks plain ugly from side and rear profile. The front does not offend me and looks sort of OK.

Also, Pl0kij needs a brain check ....for thinking all those cars are gay.
Right on, my neighbour drives a Mustang, whenever I come home my M3 whispers "Please put me into the garage, I hate to look at his ugly ass"

Naturally I put my M into the garage since it is after-all my best friend

Who says we M3 drivers have no friends
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That's why I decided to keep my M3 . I know there're cars with a lot more power, more electronic crap, or what have you, but I LOVE how the M3 drives with a STICK SHIFT, and that's what's all about to me. Yes, it's slower than a DCT, but it has all the power I'd ever need. And I also happen to like the 'all business' interior. It's a keeper folks .
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That's why I decided to keep my M3 . I know there're cars with a lot more power, more electronic crap, or what have you, but I LOVE how the M3 drives with a STICK SHIFT, and that's what's all about to me. Yes, it's slower than a DCT, but it has all the power I'd ever need. And I also happen to like the 'all business' interior. It's a keeper folks .
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Jeez the faboy'ism is insane from some of you. Your saying it's prohibited to make comparisons to an m3 because no other car is worthy? Jeez. Well that Mustang you so condescendingly speak of is faster than your m3. No questions about it, it is a faster car. Is that car less of a compromise than an m3? Absolutely, it is much more focused, but for many that is a plus.
Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. It may be faster in straight line acceleration but take it onto a track and the M3 will leave it Found On Road Dead.
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Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. It may be faster in straight line acceleration but take it onto a track and the M3 will leave it Found On Road Dead.
Maybe on some tracks but not all.
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Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. It may be faster in straight line acceleration but take it onto a track and the M3 will leave it Found On Road Dead.
I'm not going to start this war but it just isn't. I have seen it time and time again, first hand with my own eyes. People should be fans of cars, not brands. The new Mustangs are awesome cars and even if it's not your cup of tea you still need appreciate that. I have no issue saying it, that car will whoop my little beemer.
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Yes, that's precisely what I'm saying. It may be faster in straight line acceleration but take it onto a track and the M3 will leave it Found On Road Dead.
I'm not going to start this war but it just isn't. I have seen it time and time again, first hand with my own eyes. People should be fans of cars, not brands. The new Mustangs are awesome cars and even if it's not your cup of tea you still need appreciate that. I have no issue saying it, that car will whoop my little beemer.
Agreed. The new 5.0's are no joke.
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Another thought: recall how the initial reviews of the E9x M3 were not so favorable, discussing weight and less-than-ideal steering feel (the V8 was typically acclaimed). It seems to me that this M3 has grown in stature over time - great job.
I have a feeling it's going to be the same for the F10 M5. You can look at the spec sheet and say well hey, that's a heavy car. Sure, but is the car setup to counter some of that weight? With the M3 looks like it did. I'm not saying BMW (specifically the M3) is perfect but people don't still haven't realized despite what some may consider flaws, BMW knows how to balance everything out.

And why do people focus on how relatively slow M cars are in straight-line speed? M cars are designed for the ring, period and I think this has helped BMW remain focused to what they are, a car for the track; nothing more, nothing less. I'm not saying other manufacturers don't know what they're doing, I just think BMW does a better job at designing cars that target their audience.
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      09-19-2011, 11:24 AM   #128
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Good point Voltigeur! It's always like that with the BMW's. The E46 life cycle experienced the same type of discontent turned reverence.
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I'm not going to start this war but it just isn't. I have seen it time and time again, first hand with my own eyes. People should be fans of cars, not brands. The new Mustangs are awesome cars and even if it's not your cup of tea you still need appreciate that. I have no issue saying it, that car will whoop my little beemer.
It may whoop your little 135, but its not going to whoop an M3 and that's what we're talking about here. I'm not evaluating the merits of the Mustang in and of itself, I'm saying that overall it is an INFERIOR to an M3 in virtually every significant automotive metric, period.

Just like Ford is INFERIOR to BMW in virtually every corporate metric. That's not being a fan that's stating facts!
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It may whoop your little 135, but its not going to whoop an M3 and that's what we're talking about here. I'm not evaluating the merits of the Mustang in and of itself, I'm saying that overall it is an INFERIOR to an M3 in virtually every significant automotive metric, period.

Just like Ford is INFERIOR to BMW in virtually every corporate metric. That's not being a fan that's stating facts!
Ford has come a long way and the Mustang 5.0 gives the M3 a run for it's money. Pretty much matches the M3 around Leguna Seca. The Boss 302 obliterates the M3 in a straight line. The thing about the M3, I think, is the fact that it's balanced so well. ///M Cars were never about straight line speed anyway. Respect to all of the cars in the comiparo but the honestly the one I think comes close to being 'perfect' is the M3. The M3 is the jack of all trades but really doesn't master any of them, and that's why it can be a wolf in sheeps clothing.

The C63 has too much power to the rear wheels and the TC light just jumps on every chance it gets.

The RS5 steering(have't driven one but from what I've read) is light and unpredictable. No feedback. Yet, it's it's also praised as Audi's best car, AFTER the R8.

The Boss 302 is a great looking car and amazing performance for the buck.(opinion, of course) but it still doesn't have the feel of the M3. This is a sure sign that Ford is now nipping at the heels of BMW because that Boss 302 will smoke an M3 around a couple different tracks. Nobody seems to have figured out the formula BMW has, just yet though.

I don't think this will last very long though. With the recent moves BMW has been making towards efficiency, they're forgetting what they stood for. Hoping the next generation M3 keeps with the tradition of at least handling like an M3 should.
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I think the next M3 has nothing to fear. The F10 M5 does 7:55 on the Ring. Every generation of M3 best the M5 at the time, so we can safely assume the next M3 will lap the Ring around 7:4x. At that level, it does not have much to fear even from the upcoming 991s. I am truly excited about it and can't wait.
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It may whoop your little 135, but its not going to whoop an M3 and that's what we're talking about here. I'm not evaluating the merits of the Mustang in and of itself, I'm saying that overall it is an INFERIOR to an M3 in virtually every significant automotive metric, period.

Just like Ford is INFERIOR to BMW in virtually every corporate metric. That's not being a fan that's stating facts!
My 135 will hand a stock m3 it's lunch. I'm sorry, your just coming off as ignorant. The boss 302 is faster than an m3 in every single measurable performance category, it also loses in every single measurable category besides speed. Seriously, go pick a fight with a boss on a track and see what happens. It's ok, just try and broaden your appreciation for cars. Also, there is no shame in Ford saying they are less successful than BMW as a company. BMW is extremely extremely successful, but how about this. Subaru has the highest profit margin per year and was also one of two manufacturers that never had sales drop all through the recession, does that mean they make better cars than BMW? Hmmm
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