why, why. why.... Civics with a fart can wanna race?

[Cdnrockies]

Originally Posted by dbhg1124

dude go get a box of tissues and take ur sympathy for civic drivers on the honda civic si forum. We are all on here b.c we love our m3's and I can guarantee we are sick of all the punks in acura tl's honda civics evos stis that come and try to race me. I dont drive to race i enjoy my car, my comeback is I could buy ur car burn it for fun and buy another one so leave me alone. And they all didnt work as hard as we did that is why there is different classes in society, work hard play hard.

Douchebag of the year?

Originally Posted by gthal

This is bullshit... there are a lot of very hard working people who don't have wealth. Some people don't come from a privileged background and have an inherently uphill battle. Some are born without the same level of intellect or talent and regardless of hardwork may not get as far. Some who have money can also attribute it to luck... right place, right time... falling into a great opportunity, whatever. A ton of people are born into money and do nothing to earn it... does that somehow make them a better person?

Disrespecting the millions of people who work every bit as hard as you do (and more) and judging them because they don't have as much wealth is really moronic. Money, class, status have NOTHING to do with who someone is or their value as a person. I think some of the comments in this thread actually suggest the opposite... people who have very little character can have money.

Well said.

[paradocs98]

The OP's statement that "it's still not an M3" sent this thread into a whole money/"class"/money doesn't buy class discussion, but the point I'd like to take away from it is that the behavior some drivers display around our cars is truly moronic. I can't tell you how many times I see guys in performance cars, whether they be modded Civics, Evos, STIs, 370Zs, G37 Coupes (all the time), or 328s, 335s, 535s, 550s, or 135s, going into Fast 'n' Furious mode and weaving in and out of heavy traffic. They have absolutely no regard for the safety of those around them or for themselves. All it would take is one car needing to tap the brakes as one of these guys pulls an inches-off-the-bumper weaving maneuver to create a multiple-car disaster.

Take it to the track. As someone posted above, why can't these dudes just give a thumbs up and say, "Nice ride..."

[IFX]

lol, it is annoying sometimes. Especially when they beat you. hahah

[ChinoOrtega]

Won't even comment on your post dbhg1124, I won't get into an argument about money or class, let alone race or country, there's douchebags everywhere driving all types of cars, YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT, and I won't take my "sympathy" anywhere, I respect people for who they are, not what they drive or have

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by gthal

This is why New Yorkers get a bad name

Fixed : )

[Singletrack]

The whole class thing is silly for starters. I use to be friends with a kid that had a brand new S4, when it was about a 45k car. He spent all his time working on and driving his old civic hatch with a motor swap. It was more fun...

Gasp...he did try to race people on the highway occasionally.

[Z K]

I dunno about New York but here display of money or status is pretty looked down upon. Millionaires drive Camrys, shop at Walmart and dress like every other person. They always say the people with the most money are the ones that don't spend it. If you make a lot of money and spend a lot of it then you don't have any of it.

[sawzall]

Originally Posted by MisterM3

just a rant! on my way home and this civic with a fart can wanted to race? im located in Toronto, but i was in the Scarborough area earlier. why must they do this? i dont care how fast your EK is, it's still not an M3

I'm sorry, this thread is just going in the wrong direction. The real question is what the hell were you doing in Scarborough!?

[Mookster]

Simple answer here: Because they can!

[Team Plutonium]

Originally Posted by Z K

... If you make a lot of money and spend a lot of it then you don't have any of it.

This just blew my mind.

[Scoobe]

For the amount of money some of these modders put into cars designed to be cheap an efficient, they could have bought a RWD car designed to perform. Some guy at a gas station parked next to me, came and talked to me. He liked the M3 so we talked about it, I asked about his car not because I was interested but to be nice. He had sunk 25k in mods on a 18k car. I was thinking to myself, why didn't you just buy a Mustang GT, Camaro, or something with RWD and mod that? When he pulled away, the car clattered and scraped concrete, then proceeded to show how effective FWD is for acceleration.

If that floats your boat, fine. But the engines are not designed for that kind of stress and heat. They will throw a piston, shatter rings, and throw out main bearings. It is just a matter of time... not to mention the transmitions shred. This is at the heart of why people probably question the intellect of this type of modding. Doesn't help that the exhaust sounds more like a weed eater than a race car. It comes off as loud, just to be loud.

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by Z K

I dunno about New York but here display of money or status is pretty looked down upon. Millionaires drive Camrys, shop at Walmart and dress like every other person. They always say the people with the most money are the ones that don't spend it. If you make a lot of money and spend a lot of it then you don't have any of it.

Your position is that millionaires in SF drive normal cars and wear normal clothes because they are afraid of what people will think?

[Z K]

Originally Posted by Scoobe

For the amount of money some of these modders put into cars designed to be cheap an efficient, they could have bought a RWD car designed to perform. Some guy at a gas station parked next to me, came and talked to me. He liked the M3 so we talked about it, I asked about his car not because I was interested but to be nice. He had sunk 25k in mods on a 18k car. I was thinking to myself, why didn't you just buy a Mustang GT, Camaro, or something with RWD and mod that? When he pulled away, the car clattered and scraped concrete, then proceeded to show how effective FWD is for acceleration.

I understand your point of view but I also understand wanting to create something that is truly yours and unique. So yes, it makes more financial sense to just buy a faster car but in a tuner's mindset, you build a car because you love it, not for any kind of logical reasoning.

I had a RWD car I purchased for $4K, then I sunk $25K into the car restoring it and modifying it. Most of the work I did myself in an apt parking lot on the weekends over 3 years. Dropping the new engine, replacing suspension bits, etc. In the end it was about as fast as a stock Evo or STI. Most people would say it doesn't make any sense as I could have purchased a faster car to start off with but I loved that car and enjoyed driving it. It was nice to get complements and people would be stunned that the car as old as it was looked like it was brand new. I ended up selling the car for $10K but I enjoyed the time I had with it and wish I could have kept it.

[Z K]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Your position is that millionaires in SF drive normal cars and wear normal clothes because they are afraid of what people will think?

No, it's that they don't care to have materialistic things. I think they could care less what others think.

There's a lot of news articles about it. It is a different mind set.
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun...tatus-20110618

[Trevor .:R]

I have found it so much different... it seems like everyone int here E46 330ci or what not and everyone in there old sedan G35... on the freeway today was a 1980 toyota truck manual hehe

[xquisit]

O_O

[Nautik]

I think it's more of a why not?

[BH_Fanaticos77]

it all depends why you got your car. Some of us just love the car for all it is. Looks great, drives awesome and the feel you get once you take it to the track will complete the satisfaction. There will be no need to prove anything, just joy of driving whatever you do with it.

[h4nh]

Originally Posted by BH_Fanaticos77

it all depends why you got your car. Some of us just love the car for all it is. Looks great, drives awesome and the feel you get once you take it to the track will complete the satisfaction. There will be no need to prove anything, just joy of driving whatever you do with it.

+1

yeap once you go to the track you will less likely mess around on the streets.

[kotik]

yea, i dunno about the whole class thing... most of the people that drive those civics are younger, and can't afford something more expensive. It is all very relative. Someone that can afford a new ferrari, may not go for it. It is good to have the ability, but doesn't always mean you will do it. The only reason i am able to afford the m3 at my age, is because i don't have a family, and not looking to buy a house. If I did have a family and was looking for a house, i probably wouldn't go out and buy an M3, probably settle for something less expensive, but would still like to make it for my taste (tune, etc).... does getting a family puts me in a different class?

Plus, M3 is not the fastest car around, and if you buy it for that, then you made a wrong decision. I always give gredit to the tuners when it's due. I hate when people talk shit. I am a car enthusiast, and love to talk to any other car enthusiasts.

Certainly I will talk crap about tasteless mods, showing off, etc...
Tasteless mods include but are not limited to:
sound system more expensive then the car
oversized wheels
bad tint
stick on scoops
anything from autozone
shopping car spoilers
"racing stickers" i.e. "type-r", "drag racer", etc etc
people that lean back in their seat too much
people that hold the wheel right in the middle, and have their arm kind of too high
people that think they are too cool for this place (you can tell by the smirk on their face)
stupid seat covers
stupid little neon lights on the washers
chrome that looks out of place

[iksenna]

I had some guy in Toyota Matrix up my ass for most of drive home last night, although things changed when we took those 'corners'..... It happens but what can you do? If I see a GTR or a Lambo I have to give respect, they are great cars but I would never tailgate or be an ass. The worst ones are the weekend F1-drivers driving minivans, they are truly annoying...

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by iksenna

I had some guy in Toyota Matrix up my ass for most of drive home last night, although things changed when we took those 'corners'..... It happens but what can you do? If I see a GTR or a Lambo I have to give respect, they are great cars but I would never tailgate or be an ass. The worst ones are the weekend F1-drivers driving minivans, they are truly annoying...

I hate it when people do that. Now I pull over and let them by its not worth it.