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      05-04-2017, 11:40 PM   #1
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Redline360: BMW M3 E90/E92/E93 M3 E85 Flex Fuel Kit



Redline360 is proud to offer the AFD Flex Fuel Kit for the E9X M3!

PROFLEX Commander for E9x M3
The PROFLEX Commander for E9x M3 is full bolt on and gives your vehicle full flex fuel capability, meaning that right out of the box you can run gas, E85, or any blend seamlessly without the need to tune or switch maps. Unlock your M3's hidden power by running E85! Please see our dyno page for M3 dyno data.

Stock M3 Picks Up 52WHP in Best Dyno Pull on the Same Day



The E92 BMW M3 is a fast car to begin with, but we were pleasantly surprised how much extra power we got running E85 with the PROFLEX Commander™. We ran multiple dyno pulls on the same day and recorded the results.

We tested the M3 at 1.5% ethanol both with and without the PROFLEX Commander™, then tested it with the PROFLEX Commander™ at 37%, 60%, and 75% ethanol. With each higher concentration of ethanol we saw an increase in horsepower with the biggest gain of 52HP at the wheels coming at 75% ethanol that day, which is the biggest gain we've seen yet on this car. These gains were incredible considering 10-15HP gains are expected on this vehicle. The vehicle consistently maintained its proper air/fuel ratio for each pull and registered cooler oil temperatures with ethanol.

All dyno tests were repeated a minimum of 3 times to ensure accuracy. Ambient temperatures were also over 100 degrees, which we believe strongly shows the cooling effects of running ethanol.

There was also testing done with a VF Supercharged M3. This M3 had a VF Engineering 650 supercharger system and had a baseline of 527HP and 359ft-tq before installing our PROFLEX Commander™. After installation, our friends at Eurocharged ATX ran the car on 32%, 48%, and 61% ethanol. At 61% the car made 576HP to the wheels picking up 49HP without any additional tuning. It also picked up 25ft-tq.

What Comes in the Box?


  • PROFLEX Commander Unit for S65 engine
  • Flex Fuel Sensor with fuel line and fittings for S65 engine
  • Plug-and-Play Wiring Harness for S65 engine
  • Installation Guide

Click here for install instructions


Cost for this E85 Flex Fuel Kit is $1200 shipped and requires about a week build time.


Please order here: AFD ProFlex Flex Fuel Kit BMW M3 E90/E92/E93


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      05-05-2017, 12:01 AM   #2
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Awesome fuel kit. Very curious to try it.
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      05-05-2017, 12:48 AM   #3
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What about fuel pump and injectors? Those don't need to be exchanged to compensate other fuel mixtures?
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What about fuel pump and injectors? Those don't need to be exchanged to compensate other fuel mixtures?
For N/A, factory pump and injectors can handle it. Only recommended to upgrade both on supercharged cars (even more than the larger injectors that come with most supercharger kits). For supercharged cars we strongly recommend that people get dyno'd to ensure they are getting adequate fuel supply.

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      05-05-2017, 02:42 PM   #5
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So with this kit can you fuel up with 100% e85? if not how do you calculate mix percentages when pumping?
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      05-05-2017, 05:31 PM   #6
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So with this kit can you fuel up with 100% e85? if not how do you calculate mix percentages when pumping?
Yep! You can run any mixture, even up to 100% E85.

You can't really calculate the mix percentage without a reader. This kit doesn't include one, but there are other gauges out there that can read it.

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Wow, lots of interest in this kit!

I also wanted to stress the 52whp number was what AFD was able to achieve in their testing. While this was dyno proven, every car, dyno, environment is different.

Please let me know if you have any other questions

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So excuse the noob questions, but I'm sure you'll get some. Does this work with a tune? Let's say someone had a tune for Test Pipes, as many do, from one of the major players. Do the fuel mixture changes (this system must adapt something because E85 requires more volume than 91/93 OCT) have any effect on tuned vehicles? Without being savvy myself, I am a bit concerned how the systems would play together.
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So excuse the noob questions, but I'm sure you'll get some. Does this work with a tune? Let's say someone had a tune for Test Pipes, as many do, from one of the major players. Do the fuel mixture changes (this system must adapt something because E85 requires more volume than 91/93 OCT) have any effect on tuned vehicles? Without being savvy myself, I am a bit concerned how the systems would play together.
The flex fuel kit essentially determines how much ethanol you're running and adjusts the injectors to spray more or less fuel. It's independent of a tune or modifications.

Hope this helps!

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What injectors do you recommend for supercharged cars? I am assuming that a new tune needed to accompany the bigger injectors? It won't be as seamless for supercharged cars I suppose.
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What injectors do you recommend for supercharged cars? I am assuming that a new tune needed to accompany the bigger injectors? It won't be as seamless for supercharged cars I suppose.
It's hard to give a blanket statement on this. My recommendation would be to install the kit and before adding E85, have a tuner give you recommendations on injector size.

We recommend a larger fuel pump as well for supercharged cars.

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New kit now available for the E46 M3 as well:

AFD ProFlex Flex Fuel Kit BMW M3 E46 (01-06) E85 Full Bolt On
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Thanks for your interest, guys!
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So let's say I have a stock m3 e92, and I decided I wanted to beef up the car so I add full straight exhaust, pulley kit, intake etc. would I still have to get the car tuned or would this kit act as a tune itself? Or I would have to get both the kit and have it tuned after? Thanks.
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So let's say I have a stock m3 e92, and I decided I wanted to beef up the car so I add full straight exhaust, pulley kit, intake etc. would I still have to get the car tuned or would this kit act as a tune itself? Or I would have to get both the kit and have it tuned after? Thanks.
A tune is always recommended, but on an N/A build, it's not as necessary. The kit essentially ensures the right fuel supply based on the % of ethanol in the fuel.

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anyone actually using this "out in the wild"? Feedback? Feel free to PM, but I think the community would love to hear. I might have just gotten access to E85 through a midwest supplier and very interested. I'm ok with being a bit of a guinea pig though haha
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If you were to put it on an already full bolt on car ,making ~390, what would be the gains be vs the 52 stock increase?
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Also waiting on feedback - got E85 close to work
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I've heard real world numbers, but they don't coincide with these results, so I am holding my tongue for now. I have local tuners willing to install and "excited" to try it, but I'm not sure I want to be a $2k-$2500 guinea pig unless the gains are there. If 52 is optimistic and 20 is realistic, I'd do it. Just don't want to spend that kind of money on 2whp. Anyone? Anyone?
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What are the real world numbers for this kit on a NA motor? I've seen so many numbers that I am not sure what is and what isn't.
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Hello, I figured I'd chime in. There are plenty of independ dynos out there with our system. Most N/A cars make 15+ WHP gains we have had some 50 and 60+ WHP gains but those are usually in really hot climates or with supercharged cars. If your car is tuned it will usually double the gains from your tune. I'd also like to point out that all the new systems can connect to your phone and read out your ethanol mix directly through the app.
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