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      09-02-2011, 05:42 PM   #1
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Nokian WRG2 vs Wintersport 3d?

Any experience with these tires? Looking to get a set. Thank you.
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      09-02-2011, 08:12 PM   #3
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I ran the wintersport 3D on my E46 M3. I find them to be awesome. Traction in the snow gives me a lot of confidence. The car drives with no problems unless there's a foot of snow on the ground.
Ensure to have them road force balanced. My first set of tires failed the test and was returned, the second set was so well balanced and smooth.
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Very few will be able to compare these as the Nokians are not widely used.
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Very few will be able to compare these as the Nokians are not widely used.
Thanks guys fro the responses. I just am wondering if the Nokians are that great in the snow vs the wintersports.
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      09-02-2011, 08:21 PM   #6
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IMO, if you want good snow "performance" winter tires, get the Blizzak LM-60. If you don't care about the snow as much and care more about dry performance, get the Dunlops (which are still OK in the snow). If you don't care performance and only care about snow/ice, get something like the Hakkapelita R or some other non-performance winter tire.

Based on what I have read, the WRG2 would likely be similar to the Dunlop but that is only based on trying to interpret what I have read. I don't know that I have ever seen someone with an e9x M3 run the WRG2.
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IMO, if you want good snow "performance" winter tires, get the Blizzak LM-60. If you don't care about the snow as much and care more about dry performance, get the Dunlops (which are still OK in the snow). If you don't care performance and only care about snow/ice, get something like the Hakkapelita R or some other non-performance winter tire.

Based on what I have read, the WRG2 would likely be similar to the Dunlop but that is only based on trying to interpret what I have read. I don't know that I have ever seen someone with an e9x M3 run the WRG2.
Ok thank you very much. Have you run the Dunlops and or the Blizzaks?
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I have run the LM-25 (previous version of the LM-60... the LM-60 are reported to be better in snow and I have a set coming for the M3 for this winter) but not the Dunlops. By all reports they are similar to the Michelin PA-3 which I have also run and was not impressed with (snow/ice grip was lacking).
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I've had very good experiences with the Blizzak LM25's (now LM60) on my E39 5'er and love the Dunlop Winter Sport 3d's I put on my kids 325xi.

I think either the Dunlop Winter Sport or Blizzak LM's are just fine...I'd personally buy what I could get the better price on..
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Excellent info. I think given that the car was a Xi the wintersports were fine... I guess I will try to get some Blizzaks.
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Nokians will be better than both if you are looking for better snow traction, but will be a little squirmier in the dry. I've had Wintersports and Blizzaks and was not very impressed with either (but have not tried the newer LM-6x version of the Blizzaks to be fair.) I have the more aggressive Nokian Hakka R and it blows everything else away in the snow but is a lot softer so much less grip in the dry. You just need to decide what is more important to you.
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Nokians will be better than both if you are looking for better snow traction, but will be a little squirmier in the dry. I've had Wintersports and Blizzaks and was not very impressed with either (but have not tried the newer LM-6x version of the Blizzaks to be fair.) I have the more aggressive Nokian Hakka R and it blows everything else away in the snow but is a lot softer so much less grip in the dry. You just need to decide what is more important to you.

Yeah I've heard great things about the Hakka R. Nothing much on the WRG2.
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I have Wintersport 3Ds and they were great last winter for Seattle - Lots of cold rain (30s) and some snow and then frozen roads...
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I've heard Nokians are terrific tires, but have never owned them myself.

I do recall looking at purchasing them as a year round tire for our 325xi, but the prices were prohibitive.

On the other hand, maybe owning a year round Nokian would be cheaper than separate summer/winter shoes?
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I've heard Nokians are terrific tires, but have never owned them myself.

I do recall looking at purchasing them as a year round tire for our 325xi, but the prices were prohibitive.

On the other hand, maybe owning a year round Nokian would be cheaper than separate summer/winter shoes?
Oh I'm def looking for at separate setups. I don't want to use my factory wheels this winter. They are unscathed. I can get a decent deal on the wrg2... but if they are not good in snow it kind of defeats the purpose.
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I had a set of WRG2's on my 135i for 2 brutal Canadian winters. They were great in everything except deep snow or very slippery conditions. Impressive all-season tire, tire compound is a bit softer, so it wears faster. Good handling and grip in the summer and quiet. I'd compare the winter traction to be on par with a good high performance winter tire, like the Pirelli Winter Sottozero II 240 I have on my M3.

FWIW, I had a set of Dunlop M3's on my '07 530xi Touring, and that car could go anywhere anytime in the winter, but surprisingly a set of Continental ExtremeContact all-seasons performed just as well in the winter. I got tired of the fall and spring swaps between winter/summer sets, so I tried a set of all-seasons. Worked perfectly. Obviously the AWD made a difference.
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I've heard Nokians are terrific tires, but have never owned them myself.

I do recall looking at purchasing them as a year round tire for our 325xi, but the prices were prohibitive.

On the other hand, maybe owning a year round Nokian would be cheaper than separate summer/winter shoes?
Oh I'm def looking for at separate setups. I don't want to use my factory wheels this winter. They are unscathed. I can get a decent deal on the wrg2... but if they are not good in snow it kind of defeats the purpose.
I have Wintersports on my car and WRG2s on our MDX.

If you're having a dedicated winter setup, I'd go for Blizzaks or Wintersport 3Ds over Nokians. Depends on your climate and needs.

I haven't looked in a while, but are there appropriate sizes in WRG2s for our cars anyways?
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I ran both Wintersport 3Ds and Blizzak LM60s on my STi one winter and found the Blizzaks to be MUCH better. In fact I found the Dunlops to be completely useless. In the past I have found Nokians to be excellent winter tires. Can't say I've tried that specific one, but I'd personally avoid the Dunlops. I'm talking SNOW of course not just cold weather.

All in all I'd recommend Blizzak's to be sure. But if you must pick between those two... go Nokians. Is there a specific reason you're avoiding Hakkapeliittas?
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I ran both Wintersport 3Ds and Blizzak LM60s on my STi one winter and found the Blizzaks to be MUCH better. In fact I found the Dunlops to be completely useless. In the past I have found Nokians to be excellent winter tires. Can't say I've tried that specific one, but I'd personally avoid the Dunlops. I'm talking SNOW of course not just cold weather.

All in all I'd recommend Blizzak's to be sure. But if you must pick between those two... go Nokians. Is there a specific reason you're avoiding Hakkapeliittas?
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this thread is so depressing.... does this mean winter is here? :-(
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Remember -- Blizzak LM if you're going to go that brand. Not the Blizzak WS's.

One is a winter sport tire (the LM) and the other is a snow/ice compound (the WS). Those WS's would get you through anything, but are like driving on rubber bands.
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The WS-60 is comparable to the Hakka R (though not as good.) Super soft but amazing in the snow/ice.
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