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      09-21-2012, 02:45 PM   #89
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In california, its illegal to modify your exhaust system to amplify noise. There is a secondary section if the sound is over 96 db for vehicles under 6,000 lbs, excluding motorcycles..... Sorry for the tickets....
Yeah, and its illegal for a wife to get a haircut in MI without their husbands permission, think that's enforced??? Laws and rules are how you govern an ignorant populace, lets educate and illuminate and these discussions will end... Time to stop governing the lowest common denominator and elevating intellectual capital.
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Yeah, and its illegal for a wife to get a haircut in MI without their husbands permission, think that's enforced??? Laws and rules are how you govern an ignorant populace, lets educate and illuminate and these discussions will end... Time to stop governing the lowest common denominator and elevating intellectual capital.
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lol, good luck with that... Some people just aren't meant to be educated...
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lol, good luck with that... Some people just aren't meant to be educated...
Agreed....good luck with that. I have come to realize that there is such a thing as being "too intelligent for society". Laws, regulations, etc. are made to govern the masses and are often at odds with people who have a higher intellect and far greater reasoning ability than Joe or Jane Budweiser.
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      09-21-2012, 04:23 PM   #92
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I've asked these questions before and get very little feedback. Liberty and freedom are usually given up for safety and security and that is when fear and resentment rule the day... Welcome to the 21st century
And yet it becomes the ultimate threat to safety when the "protectors" become the perpetrators, does it not?
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So on the way to dropping my kids off at the daycare this morning I got pulled over by the police. I knew I didnt do anything illegal so I wasnt sure of the cause.

When the cop approached me he mentioned that I have an improper muffler on my car that's too loud. (I have an Active Autowerke's exhaust on my '08 M3). I asked him how he knew it was too loud. I asked if there was a sound level that my car had surpassed and if he had a decibel metre to in fact deem my car to be too loud. He responds by asking if I can hear any of the other cars passing by. I mention yes and he says that they're not as loud as me. I respond by asking how do you compare a V8 engine to a 4 cylinder car. He doesnt respond but asks me for my information.

After 10 minutes he returns with 2 tickets....one for improper muffler ($110) and one for unnessary noise ($110). He tells me my options which are to "fix" my muffler and the tickets can be tossed or I can proceed to fight them in court which I plan on doing. He finishes by saying, and I quote "I know you have a nice car and like your nice car and I too have a nice sporty car that I like. I have a 1991 Camaro. But I dont need to hear your car. If I see you again I cant write you the same tickets but I will summons you to court where you can do jail time".

WTF!!! At this point I mention that I've lived in the area for over 7 years, have passed numerous police without issue and havent so much as received an infraction in my car of any kind. He says that I havent seen him before and that if he sees me again he will summons me to court.

The kicker is, that this same cop pulled my wife over in her Lexus IS250 for going through a stop sign less than a month ago (which she too is fighting) and he kept mentioning to her stuff about her "nice" car.

So, my question to you fellow M3 owners:

- Have any of you ever received such tickets for your aftermarket exhausts? If so, how did you handle it?
- Have any fellow Canadians (in the Toronto area especially) ever encountered such tickets?
- Should my wife and I file a formal complaint with his division for his behaviour and comments or will this open a can of worms with other cops coming down on us as they do tend to protect their own?

Any feedback you can provide would be appreciated.

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http://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/

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Well said! And I totally agree with you.
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lol, good luck with that... Some people just aren't meant to be educated...
What he said....
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lol, good luck with that... Some people just aren't meant to be educated...
I appreciate the support, and yes all humans are meant to be educated, some are less receptive than others, ever watch a child
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Agreed....good luck with that. I have come to realize that there is such a thing as being "too intelligent for society". Laws, regulations, etc. are made to govern the masses and are often at odds with people who have a higher intellect and far greater reasoning ability than Joe or Jane Budweiser.
I agree with the too intelligent part, but believe it's a societal approach not an individula approach and that's where we can change things.
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My exact point.
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The problem is society, not individuals. For instance, how many sci-fi movies or movies about science have a positive result? Not many. Also, look at pop culture, what do we deify, beauty and athleticism, which is a societal choice. Change the focus and we change the world. I'm not saying it's easy, but I haven't given up on society yet. Love, anger, fear, these are conditions of animals, not humans, rationality and reason are the sole human conditions we should focus on. Yes it may appear we are beyond repair, but what do you think the romans said when the barbarians were at the gate... Just remember evolution only moves forward in the face of a crisis and that may be the necessary evil to move us to the next phase... the new renaissance is upon us, hop on board or be left behind
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Fucking pigs we don't fuck need them we lost cops 50 year ago there all tax collectors now. I say get a good lawyer. !!! fucking hate these fucking red neck mother fuckers I want them all to fucking get killed. He is mad because he has a shitmaro. That does not sound good at all.
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I appreciate the support, and yes all humans are meant to be educated, some are less receptive than others, ever watch a child

I agree with the too intelligent part, but believe it's a societal approach not an individula approach and that's where we can change things.

My exact point.


The problem is society, not individuals. For instance, how many sci-fi movies or movies about science have a positive result? Not many. Also, look at pop culture, what do we deify, beauty and athleticism, which is a societal choice. Change the focus and we change the world. I'm not saying it's easy, but I haven't given up on society yet. Love, anger, fear, these are conditions of animals, not humans, rationality and reason are the sole human conditions we should focus on. Yes it may appear we are beyond repair, but what do you think the romans said when the barbarians were at the gate... Just remember evolution only moves forward in the face of a crisis and that may be the necessary evil to move us to the next phase... the new renaissance is upon us, hop on board or be left behind
As advanced as the human brain is in comparison to any other creature, we are not completely devoid of animalistic instinct. We are, still, after all, animals.

My question still stands: What does one do when faced with an abusive law officer?
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Fucking pigs we don't fuck need them we lost cops 50 year ago there all tax collectors now. I say get a good lawyer. !!! fucking hate these fucking red neck mother fuckers I want them all to fucking get killed. He is mad because he has a shitmaro. That does not sound good at all.
So you hate cops? But I bet you would call them if you need help, if your car is broken into or stolen, etc..... Your an idiot....
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As advanced as the human brain is in comparison to any other creature, we are not completely devoid of animalistic instinct. We are, still, after all, animals.

My question still stands: What does one do when faced with an abusive law officer?
First would discuss with attorney. Consult officers superiors. Go to your local govt official. Go to the media. Start a blog. And if all else fails, stand up and fight
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Fucking pigs we don't fuck need them we lost cops 50 year ago there all tax collectors now. I say get a good lawyer. !!! fucking hate these fucking red neck mother fuckers I want them all to fucking get killed.
WOW!! REALLY?
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So on the way to dropping my kids off at the daycare this morning I got pulled over by the police. I knew I didnt do anything illegal so I wasnt sure of the cause.

When the cop approached me he mentioned that I have an improper muffler on my car that's too loud. (I have an Active Autowerke's exhaust on my '08 M3). I asked him how he knew it was too loud. I asked if there was a sound level that my car had surpassed and if he had a decibel metre to in fact deem my car to be too loud. He responds by asking if I can hear any of the other cars passing by. I mention yes and he says that they're not as loud as me. I respond by asking how do you compare a V8 engine to a 4 cylinder car. He doesnt respond but asks me for my information.

After 10 minutes he returns with 2 tickets....one for improper muffler ($110) and one for unnessary noise ($110). He tells me my options which are to "fix" my muffler and the tickets can be tossed or I can proceed to fight them in court which I plan on doing. He finishes by saying, and I quote "I know you have a nice car and like your nice car and I too have a nice sporty car that I like. I have a 1991 Camaro. But I dont need to hear your car. If I see you again I cant write you the same tickets but I will summons you to court where you can do jail time".

WTF!!! At this point I mention that I've lived in the area for over 7 years, have passed numerous police without issue and havent so much as received an infraction in my car of any kind. He says that I havent seen him before and that if he sees me again he will summons me to court.

The kicker is, that this same cop pulled my wife over in her Lexus IS250 for going through a stop sign less than a month ago (which she too is fighting) and he kept mentioning to her stuff about her "nice" car.

So, my question to you fellow M3 owners:

- Have any of you ever received such tickets for your aftermarket exhausts? If so, how did you handle it?
- Have any fellow Canadians (in the Toronto area especially) ever encountered such tickets?
- Should my wife and I file a formal complaint with his division for his behaviour and comments or will this open a can of worms with other cops coming down on us as they do tend to protect their own?

Any feedback you can provide would be appreciated.

Cheers.
That sucks. Im sorry to hear that. I go to school in Waterloo and last March I got an "Unnecessary Noise" ($110) ticket for, Im not exaggerating, a slight wheel screetch from my bald snow tires as I tries to accelerate off the fist light I came to a stop at. The officer was about 6 cars back and didnt pull me over until he got up and saw me in the car. I wasnt speeding, it was 3:00 in the afternoon on a Sunday and I was going to get groceries. The officer told me I was "Stunting" but burning out off the light and that my exhaust was too loud. I told him my situation with the bald snow tires, where I live, and how my exhaust is stock. He proceeded to threaten me about racing, and asked a lot of annoying questions about my car ex. "Whats with the red brakes?", "Your exhaust wont pass emissions" etc. Im 22 but purchased my car myself, after many years of saving and a few generous engineering work placements. I basically told him calmly I didnt mean to offend him but that didnt help. He set off into me more. I decided to fight the ticket and have a court date on the 10th of October.This is my only ticket in 1 year with my C63. And previous over 3 years ago I have one 15 over speeding ticket. I enjoy driving spirited but am not reckless or dangerous on public roads. Here in Canada the charge cannot go up, however with sufficient evidence they can charge you with a separate charge ex. "Stunting". Ill let you know how my court date goes as it is fast approaching. I was very upset with this ticket considering I didnt make it past 50km/h, and I didnt do a "burn out", and I saw him the whole time. I cant wait to see what he has to say in court.

As for your situation I would fight both of them. This charge is the dumbest charge and shouldnt exist. your response about hearing the other cars on the street was hilarious! I hope it works out! -All the best!
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