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      09-29-2011, 01:57 PM   #199
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Question, how much does maintenance cost for the GT-R? Scheherazade , if you're ever in the Rockville/Gaithersburg area, I'd love to check out your GT-R.
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I was tempted just a week ago when my Porsche dealer had a GT3 RS on the floor with 1500 miles on it. I think it was a 2010 a guy traded in on a GT3 RS 4.0. I would have been all over it if they wanted $115K-$120k but they wanted $150K. They were F#@king high.
Who in their right mind would trade in a GT3 4.0?
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Who in their right mind would trade in a GT3 4.0?

The person traded a GT3 vanilla, in order to pay down a GT3 4.0.
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Question, how much does maintenance cost for the GT-R? Scheherazade , if you're ever in the Rockville/Gaithersburg area, I'd love to check out your GT-R.
I posted maintenance info in this thread.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=553385&page=3

Usually in NOVA.

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The person traded a GT3 vanilla, in order to pay down a GT3 4.0.
As far as I understood it, anyways...





I posted maintenance info in this thread.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...=553385&page=3

Usually in NOVA.

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Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, $1,000+ a month in lease payments doesn't make sense for me right now. Love the GT-R though.
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Who in their right mind would trade in a GT3 4.0?
Sorry I wasn't clear. He had a "regular" 3.8 liter 2010 GT3 RS and traded for a 4.0 liter GT3 RS. The guy is super rich(not Obama rich). He has a boat load of cars(McLaren SLR, Carrera GT, new GT2 RS, etc.)
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I bet they're gonna keep tuning it higher and higher, to keep the pressure on Porsche while they can.

Considering that the new 911 (vanilla) is as fast as the outgoing GT3 around the ring, I expect the new turbo to be blazing.

Maybe the GTR will do to Porsche what the NSX did to Ferrari : make them start making better cars - ones more deserving of the price tag.

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Agreed the new 911S, w/PDCC (4 seconds alone), SPASM (20mm lower, more sporting suspension), PDK, w/SC PLUS, which includes DEM did the Ring in 7:40 matching the .2 GT3. It also costs roughly $125K equipped in that manner, whereas the GT3 retailed at $118k comparably equipped. The 991S can not stay with the GT3 in the straights, falling over a second behind to 100 and doesn't sound nearly as good as the GT3. (The 991S does use the same 9A1 as its predecessor.) I know these are not drag cars but acceleration does matter.

Regardless, quite a feat indeed. I expect a lot from the next GT3.
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Here's the vehicle I was referring to:

http://www.valleyimports.net/2010-Po...-ND/vd/7822555

It has more miles than I thought.
Is the car really worth this kind of money?
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Here's the vehicle I was referring to:

http://www.valleyimports.net/2010-Po...-ND/vd/7822555

It has more miles than I thought.
Is the car really worth this kind of money?
Nice car, but no, not worth anywhere near that price.

I'd say $125-130k would be a fair price. Most cars in this price range are not moving.

I just looked at the car again to see what they mis-printed. Sure enough they quote 435HP when in fact it has 450. My GT3 has 435. Also this was one of those improperly optioned cars, imo. I.E. the beautiful red deviated stitching should continue down the end of the PCM, through the gearshift where it is currently white. Looks dumb up close. The clock on the dash (Sport Chrono, AKA ugly Wart) needs to go. It serves no purpose and ruins the fluid Full Leather dash option. The seats are Adaptive Sport Seats, which weigh about 47 lbs more than my standard seats and roughly 74 lbs more than the RS's standard Sport Buckets. It's also got Nav and PCCBs (Ceramics), neither of which are bad but add collectively $13,000 to the sticker. Nav is kind of heavy for a car of this caliber and purpose as are the aforementioned A.S.S. (Seats). I can't tell for sure but it looks like the dealer missed the auto dimming mirrors option. Maybe they wanted to save the 2 lbs after adding all the other weight.

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Nice car, but no, not worth anywhere near that price.

I'd say $125-130k would be a fair price. Most cars in this price range are not moving.

I just looked at the car again to see what they mis-printed. Sure enough they quote 435HP when in fact it has 450. My GT3 has 435. Also this was one of those improperly optioned cars, imo. I.E. the beautiful red deviated stitching should continue down the end of the PCM, through the gearshift where it is currently white. Looks dumb up close. The clock on the dash (Sport Chrono, AKA ugly Wart) needs to go. It serves no purpose and ruins the fluid Full Leather dash option. The seats are Adaptive Sport Seats, which weigh about 47 lbs more than my standard seats and roughly 74 lbs more than the RS's standard Sport Buckets. It's also got Nav and PCCBs (Ceramics), neither of which are bad but add collectively $13,000 to the sticker. Nav is kind of heavy for a car of this caliber and purpose as are the aforementioned A.S.S. (Seats). I can't tell for sure but it looks like the dealer missed the auto dimming mirrors option. Maybe they wanted to save the 2 lbs after adding all the other weight.


I have no idea what he was thinking but the guy that owned it is stupid rich. He has the new Turbo S, the new GT2 RS, and will shortly have the 4.0 GT3 RS. He blows through 3 or 4 911s every year. The only Porsche he has retained long term is a Carrera GT.
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I have no idea what he was thinking but the guy that owned it is stupid rich. He has the new Turbo S, the new GT2 RS, and will shortly have the 4.0 GT3 RS. He blows through 3 or 4 911s every year. The only Porsche he has retained long term is a Carrera GT.
who is this guy? i just ran into a guy at the track the other day that just purchased a 2011 turbo s and a 2011 gts rs i think within the same month. i was passing his turbo s all day he was new.
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Here's the vehicle I was referring to:

http://www.valleyimports.net/2010-Po...-ND/vd/7822555

It has more miles than I thought.
Is the car really worth this kind of money?
That car will not sell for more than $110K maybe 115K. All the wrong options! My dealer offered only 110K for my 2011 GT3 RS when I was considering the trade up for the GT3 RS 4.0
By the way you need to spend about $5-6K on the RS to make it track worthy, not to mention getting rid of the PCCB - (that was my fault)
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How is a gt3rs not track ready?
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How is a gt3rs not track ready?
LSD is gone after 1K miles, (or basically when it leaves the showroom)
The rear suspension needs solid monts and adjustable dogbones and toesteer to maintain corrcet toe and camber setting under load changes (the OEM gets toe out under braking)
You better TIG weld or screw the coolant line fittings - they have a tendency to come apart and loose all cooling, the PCCB brakes are not good / super expensive to use on the track (they advertised as 100Kmiles etc in reality they can take about 10-12 track days and you need rotor change which is 22K at all 4 corners. No track pad option on PCCB - formerly Pagid P50 green pads were heralded as such now Porsche claims they ruin the rotors so you left with the OEM pads, which are actually not bad but again not great either.
Should I continue??
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LSD is gone after 1K miles, (or basically when it leaves the showroom)
The rear suspension needs solid monts and adjustable dogbones and toesteer to maintain corrcet toe and camber setting under load changes (the OEM gets toe out under braking)
You better TIG weld or screw the coolant line fittings - they have a tendency to come apart and loose all cooling, the PCCB brakes are not good / super expensive to use on the track (they advertised as 100Kmiles etc in reality they can take about 10-12 track days and you need rotor change which is 22K at all 4 corners. No track pad option on PCCB - formerly Pagid P50 green pads were heralded as such now Porsche claims they ruin the rotors so you left with the OEM pads, which are actually not bad but again not great either.
Should I continue??
I understand you may have had issues with your car, but much of what you posted in inaccurate. The coolant lines have not been an issue with the .2 gt3 or RS. The LSD issue may have some credence to it but it is not nearly as bad as you state. Savyboy on Rennlist posted an excellent thread on this very topic, citing 30,000 tracked miles on an OEM LSD. Unless of course one left TC/PSM on and cooked the rear rotors, which can happen with any contemporary car capable of the sustained speeds a GT3/RS can achieve. PCCBs are good for far more than 10-12 track days. They are not a good choice for the track as the irons work as well with much less replacement costs. Yeah, the RS is optioned wrong as I stated, but it will sell for more than $110k, that is for certain. The real issue is the seats but that is easily fixed. Buy the carbons for less than $6k and sell the A.S.S. for $3k. There is a good market for A.S.S. No pun intended.

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just asking i havent had the joy of owning a gt3rs.
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okay thats more what i was thinking. the m3 needs a lot of mods to make it track ready but a gt3rs i thought was a dream car.
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okay thats more what i was thinking. the m3 needs a lot of mods to make it track ready but a gt3rs i thought was a dream car.
it is.
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I understand you may have had issues with your car, but much of what you posted in inaccurate. The coolant lines have not been an issue with the .2 gt3 or RS. The LSD issue may have some credence to it but it is not nearly as bad as you state. Savyboy on Rennlist posted an excellent thread on this very topic, citing 30,000 tracked miles on an OEM LSD, of unless of course on left TC/PSM on and cooked the rear rotors, which can happen with any contemporary car capable of the sustained speeds a GT3/RS can achieve . PCCBs are good for far more than 10-12 track days. They are not a good choice for the track as the irons work as well with much less replacement costs. Yeah, the RS is optioned wrong as I stated, but it will sell for more than $110, that is for certain. The real issue is the seats but that is easily fixed. Buy the carbons for less than $6k and sell the A.S.S. for $3k. There is a good market for A.S.S. No pun intended.
I think the merits of the GT3 is a little bit off topic here, nevertheless I am not amused by the issues I mentioned above which are very real to me. I have to admit I never experienced cooling line separation but I did not want to wait so i did my preventive measures. Anyway, I personally made a wrong decision with the RS I should have got the GT3 Cup. So I am planning to trade it in for a 997.2 GT3 Cup in the spring.
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I think the merits of the GT3 is a little bit off topic here, nevertheless I am not amused by the issues I mentioned above which are very real to me. I have to admit I never experienced cooling line separation but I did not want to wait so i did my preventive measures. Anyway, I personally made a wrong decision with the RS I should have got the GT3 Cup. So I am planning to trade it in for a 997.2 GT3 Cup in the spring.
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lucky man.
Thanks,

Complettely off topic, but in the last 3-4 months lost several hours of sleep on this, is the question of what you actually want "on the track" Clearly I am too old and not talented enough to be a race car driver. Racing for some team and put up huge money just to be part of the team and realize that I am not "Senna" feels like a big vaste to me. Rather do some charity and help the less fortunate. On the other hand every time on the track want to do more. The GT3 RS was a step up from the M3, the cup or maybe a radical SR8 would be another step up but then I would be clearly out of my range in terms of abilities. Pluss I just dont have the time right now.
I do not know, and I do not expect any advise on these thoughts here, especially not on this thread but the frustration is there.
I even went so far as to buy some land and build a go-kart track and go with a 125cc shifter kart.
Anyway, I never wanted to say that the GT3RS is not a great car, but it's not without fault, especially if you are frustrated!
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Complettely off topic, but in the last 3-4 months lost several hours of sleep on this, is the question of what you actually want "on the track" Clearly I am too old and not talented enough to be a race car driver. Racing for some team and put up huge money just to be part of the team and realize that I am not "Senna" feels like a big vaste to me. Rather do some charity and help the less fortunate. On the other hand every time on the track want to do more. The GT3 RS was a step up from the M3, the cup or maybe a radical SR8 would be another step up but then I would be clearly out of my range in terms of abilities. Pluss I just dont have the time right now.
I do not know, and I do not expect any advise on these thoughts here, especially not on this thread but the frustration is there.
I even went so far as to buy some land and build a go-kart track and go with a 125cc shifter kart.
Anyway, I never wanted to say that the GT3RS is not a great car, but it's not without fault, especially if you are frustrated!
Geez, don't lose sleep over this. It should be fun. It sounds like you have a good heart.

Anyway, the RS is much more than a step up from the M3. No offense to any M3 owners. I would love one as my dd to replace my 335 but not to replace my weekend warrior gt3, let alone an RS.
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