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      08-23-2011, 05:56 AM   #23
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I doubt any M vehicle will ever truly fail. Most buyers, not being enthusiasts, are more interested in the badge and prestige and the torquey feel than performance.
Absolutely--I see it around here all the time. Makes you wish there could be a "$" edition so a lot of these people could achieve the prestige and status they're looking for while leaving the M3s, M5s, 911s to the true enthusiasts. "Hey, check out my new 335i$." "Wow, that dude is stylin' in his 550i$--those things cost a fortune!"

Mercedes seems to be the best at cynically playing this game with their AMG versions of EVERYTHING. Sure, there are plenty of people who get an E63 or C63 for the performance, but there are probably just as many if not more who do the AMG thing because it represents the most expensive model in that particular line--S65, SL65, G55, etc.
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      08-23-2011, 10:38 AM   #24
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i will go for e9x m3 rather than f10 m5
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      08-23-2011, 12:30 PM   #25
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Can't go wrong with an M3.
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Can't go wrong with the M5

Can go wrong with AMG
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Not really the same. You can track an M3 fairly easily. You will flounder on the track driving a 4,200lb turbo barge like the F10.

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You could make the same argument between a chipped 335i and a M3. Yet I see you're driving a M3 and not a modded 335i.
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LMFAO

Just my $.02 based on what information is available.....next time take it a bit more personal.....

Guarantee you'll never find me owning one of the F10's.........

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It is ridiculous and utter bogus nonsense when some one comes on here and claims that M5 will fail. All this with out ever driving it or having any reviews to back up their claims.

I think many do not realize that their beloved E90/E92 M3 is a bloated pig when compared with the E36 M3.

Every time a new M car comes we go through these same dance. The previous M owners claims nahha......"The new one will be a fail"......yeah right....few years down the line......we will probably find you driving the same fail M car. All the while praising its virtues of practicality and performance......gimme a break.
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The reason the M5 won't fail is because of the badge...that's all there is to it. Other the that, it really can't be taken to the track with it weighting 4000+ lbs. It's just a fast, heavy, tub o lard.

The second reason it won't fail is because of marketing.

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      08-23-2011, 09:04 PM   #29
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Absolutely--I see it around here all the time. Makes you wish there could be a "$" edition so a lot of these people could achieve the prestige and status they're looking for while leaving the M3s, M5s, 911s to the true enthusiasts. "Hey, check out my new 335i$." "Wow, that dude is stylin' in his 550i$--those things cost a fortune!"

Mercedes seems to be the best at cynically playing this game with their AMG versions of EVERYTHING. Sure, there are plenty of people who get an E63 or C63 for the performance, but there are probably just as many if not more who do the AMG thing because it represents the most expensive model in that particular line--S65, SL65, G55, etc.
BMW isn't doing any better. 1M,X3-M(Planned),X5-M,X6-M,M3,M5,M6,X4-M(Planned)

128i M Sport
135i M Sport
335i M Sport
328i M Sport
..You get my drift.
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      08-23-2011, 09:59 PM   #30
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hell, the M5 and M3 are both stupendous cars...They each have a core purpose that they do well.

What's with the one is good so the other must be bad attitudes?
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      08-23-2011, 10:11 PM   #31
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the ///M3 is the one ... it's all you ever need, unless you like to be first on the track ... not that the ///M3 be far behind the ///M5 ... then I have to agree on the size, already the e9x is much larger then the e46 was.

for my money and desire the ///M3 is the one
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      08-24-2011, 06:21 AM   #32
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The 2 things I cannot like on the m5 is the hood lines and the side-grill. It looks like so many cheap cars on the road-taurus, kia's and all sorts have a cheap looking side grill. They used to have such sexy side-grills. Both the e60 and e46 m's and then the e90 m3 grille is totally sexual! Then they go and put that crap box side vent on the new m5... I just don't get .
Agreed! What's up with the side grills looking like they were copied from a ford or kia!! I don't get what was going through your head BMW !
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The M5 is not really intended to be a track car. I think it'll be great. Even though I think the new 5 series in general are too big. If I was someone who drove long distances a lot and/or had a family to drive around I'd definitely consider one. M5 has always been my choice if I ever need 4 doors.
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The M5 is not really intended to be a track car. I think it'll be great. Even though I think the new 5 series in general are too big. If I was someone who drove long distances a lot and/or had a family to drive around I'd definitely consider one. M5 has always been my choice if I ever need 4 doors.
Then what's the difference between an M Car and a normal BMW? I could tune a 550 and probably swap out the suspension parts and make it BETTER then an M5 for road use. M Cars were "built" for the track.
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Then what's the difference between an M Car and a normal BMW? I could tune a 550 and probably swap out the suspension parts and make it BETTER then an M5 for road use. M Cars were "built" for the track.
uhhhh..... styling, handling, and power. not to mention it comes stock from the factory that way.
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uhhhh..... styling, handling, and power. not to mention it comes stock from the factory that way.
uhh...the reason it comes that way from the factory is because it's designed for the track. Your contradicting your own thought process. If the M5 isn't meant for the track, then what's it's purpose? It's no different the a 550i. The handling, power, and styling are all there to make it purposeful for the track. Saying the M5 isn't meant for the track is like saying Beans aren't meant to be in a bean burrito.
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uhh...the reason it comes that way from the factory is because it's designed for the track. Your contradicting your own thought process. I was proving a point.
I respectfully disagree that is the reason.
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I respectfully disagree that is the reason.
What? M Cars were designed(well use to be) for the track. This isn't an opinion that you can disagree with. This is fact. Unless, you think it's because of status. Then, you're one of those people. Do you even know what M stands for? Or use to stand for?
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What? M Cars were designed(well use to be) for the track. This isn't an opinion that you can disagree with. This is fact. Unless, you think it's because of status. Then, you're one of those people. Do you even know what M stands for?
highlighted your key words. The F10 M5 is not designed for the track, sorry. Maybe back in the day they were. BMW still wants you to believe they are, as that is their marketing tactic. However this car is not a track car. The M3 is designed more so for the track.
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highlighted your key words. The F10 M5 is not designed for the track, sorry. Maybe back in the day they were. BMW still wants you to believe they are, as that is their marketing tactic. However this car is not a track car. The M3 is designed more so for the track.
I think we're on the same page here. Are you saying it's NOT a track car because it's too heavy, and rolls like a truck? If you are, then we're seeing eye to eye. If you're not, let's just move on.

P.S. While the M3 is more of a track car it still isn't meant for the track weighting in at 3700 pounds.
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The M3 tracks just fine...
Not saying it doesn't. It would track even better if it were lighter. Would also get better MPG. I give props to the M3 for being the lightest car in it's class. The C63 AMG coupe comes in 100 pounds heavier I believe then the sedan thanks to that glass roof.
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I think we're on the same page here. Are you saying it's NOT a track car because it's too heavy, and rolls like a truck? If you are, then we're seeing eye to eye. If you're not, let's just move on.

P.S. While the M3 is more of a track car it still isn't meant for the track weighting in at 3700 pounds.
I think we are mostly in agreement.

I'm saying no argument is ever going to convince me the "///Marketing" engineers at BMW ever had any intention of building this car for people to take to the track. It's way to big and bloated with technology and luxury items. It is simply designed to be a high powered luxury street car.

Of course you can race it on the track if you want, just like you can take a Prius to a track.
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I think we are mostly in agreement.

I'm saying no argument is ever going to convince me the "///Marketing" engineers at BMW ever had any intention of building this car for people to take to the track. It's way to big and bloated with technology and luxury items. It is simply designed to be a high powered luxury street car.

Of course you can race it on the track if you want, just like you can take a Prius to a track.
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Am I the only one here that would have went with the new M5?

I mean I love my M3 but I already really like the new 5 series and the new M5 just puts the icing on the cake. I think that thing is going to be sweet! Maybe not the most powerful or beautiful car that BMW has ever made but still a very sexy car.
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