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      07-20-2011, 05:15 AM   #1
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Florida-Drug Test to Get Welfare

I heard today that Florida passed a law making it you have to take a drug test before being able to get welfare?? Why are there more states if not all 50 doing this?? We get a urinalysis to get a job and EARN money, but you don't have to have one to get free money

I say WAY TO GO FLORIDA

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I heard today that Florida passed a law making it you have to take a drug test before being able to get welfare?? Why are there more states if not all 50 doing this?? We get a urinalysis to get a job and EARN money, but you don't have to have one to get free money

I say WAY TO GO FLORIDA

what do you guys think??
Given there are instant drug tests now, I would completely support a requirement mandating a clean drug test prior to picking up your monthly check.
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      07-20-2011, 02:36 PM   #3
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Given there are instant drug tests now, I would completely support a requirement mandating a clean drug test prior to picking up your monthly check.
yeah me to!!! just wish more states were doing this!
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      07-20-2011, 03:20 PM   #4
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Hell yes. I think not all states are doing this because they think the tests themselves will cost too much however they should also take into account how much money they'll save when they're not giving tax payer money to crackheads.
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Would require a state law that says you can't be on drugs/alcohol BEFORE you can test for them. With our PC-correct representatives, how many are willing to stick their necks out for that? Obviously not enough.
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Illegal and too expensive. Fail.
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Illegal and too expensive. Fail.
how is it illegal??
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It's only illegal until it's not. All this takes is balls, legislation and a willingness to see it through in court.
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Illegal and too expensive. Fail.
Exactly sounds good but won't happen. Its giving the florida voters a show. How about no more welfare! Ive seen a house with 9 generations of family members on welfare all sitting in the same room how disgusting.
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Someone answer this question for me. Say a good president gets elected, the senate gets constitutional loving members in, and the same with congress. Say all the cuts happen and government finally gets smaller what will happen to all the hippies who live off art and music grants, all the non profits who say there helping people are pocketing the money, all the welfare recipients who will no longer get a check and asked to go to work, all the kids in college who say they deserve free education and don't, and the EPA gets no more say in our manufacturing sector what will all these people do?
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how is it illegal??
As demonstrated by all the other states that have tried this - and failed - it's unconstitutional (unreasonable search and seizure) and it's overly expensive.
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It's only illegal until it's not. All this takes is balls, legislation and a willingness to see it through in court.
I don't know what that means? It's been ruled on before.
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Someone answer this question for me. Say a good president gets elected, the senate gets constitutional loving members in, and the same with congress. Say all the cuts happen and government finally gets smaller what will happen to all the hippies who live off art and music grants, all the non profits who say there helping people are pocketing the money, all the welfare recipients who will no longer get a check and asked to go to work, all the kids in college who say they deserve free education and don't, and the EPA gets no more say in our manufacturing sector what will all these people do?
It's called a recession.
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      07-30-2011, 08:12 PM   #14
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I don't know what that means? It's been ruled on before.
And whatever ruling you refer to will stand forever? The term "settled law" is an oxymoron.
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As demonstrated by all the other states that have tried this - and failed - it's unconstitutional (unreasonable search and seizure) and it's overly expensive.
You not searching or seizing anything. If that was true, then it should be illegal for your employer to give you a drug test.

After all, welfare money comes from your taxes, so you should support drug screening.
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You not searching or seizing anything. If that was true, then it should be illegal for your employer to give you a drug test.

After all, welfare money comes from your taxes, so you should support drug screening.
You are performing an unreasonable search because getting welfare alone is not probable cause for someone to be doing drugs. Drug testing a prior felon, for example, does give probable cause.

In regards to drug testing in the work place, there are a few federal laws and many precedents that allow this. Reagan signed Executive Order 12564, which prohibited federal employees using drugs. Then in 88, Congress passed the Drug-Free Workplace Act. There have been a few more laws since then.

The difference between workplace testing and testing welfare recipients is that the company hiring you has a vested interest in your performance on the job. They are paying you for a service and have a right to make stipulations of that employment since most people are "at will" employees. Therefore, while it is a search, it's a reasonable one.

This is a good page to read more about all of this.

Personally, I'd be all for drug testing when reasonable suspicion exists. But the state will spend more money conducting the drug tests than they'll save. So, it's a waste of money.
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You are performing an unreasonable search because getting welfare alone is not probable cause for someone to be doing drugs. Drug testing a prior felon, for example, does give probable cause.

In regards to drug testing in the work place, there are a few federal laws and many precedents that allow this. Reagan signed Executive Order 12564, which prohibited federal employees using drugs. Then in 88, Congress passed the Drug-Free Workplace Act. There have been a few more laws since then.

The difference between workplace testing and testing welfare recipients is that the company hiring you has a vested interest in your performance on the job. They are paying you for a service and have a right to make stipulations of that employment since most people are "at will" employees. Therefore, while it is a search, it's a reasonable one.

This is a good page to read more about all of this.

Personally, I'd be all for drug testing when reasonable suspicion exists. But the state will spend more money conducting the drug tests than they'll save. So, it's a waste of money.

Take what you said about employers drug testing and replace it with welfare word for word. We just need the Congress to pass the Act.

And i strongly believe that Govnt will save a lot of money by drug testing people that are on welfare. Look at this way; if you get a check for $200 each month, but the cost of drug screen is $60, thats a savings of $140 to Govnt if you dont pass the test. And as of today, i would have to take a light guess, that 50% of people wouldn't pass a drug test. And thats a lot of savings to Govnt.
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how is it illegal??
As demonstrated by all the other states that have tried this - and failed - it's unconstitutional (unreasonable search and seizure) and it's overly expensive.
What? A simple piss in the cup before you get your checks? To work at a Mcdonalds you need a drug test. These people don't deserve money for doing nothing.
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We discriminate and differentiate all the time. What is unreasonable about not wanting to give my tax dollars to someone who will burn it in an illegal pursuit? Blind people don't get to drive, pedophiles don't get to work in a child care facility, felons don't get to buy guns, quadriplegics don't get to play pro football, women don't get to serve in combat arms, the list of acceptable discrimination is endless. Drug users are unlikely to use taxpayer aid to better themselves--indeed they are highly likely to use the money to feed or subsidize their habit. Now if aid consisted of subsistence items only (block of cheese, gallon of milk, etc) I might not care who got it but it doesn't.
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We'll spend more money in police, prison and various other government functions when all the druggies lose their monthly check and go on a crime spree.
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Answer this question:

At least 3/4 of the welfare payments / benefits are issued to the Children in the family. Most child-less abled body adults do not qualify for much more then Unemployment insurance. It's the fact that they have kids that gets them the aid.

Lets say you cut off funding / housing to a family because the parent does drugs. What do you do when the rate of malnourished / abused / homeless children increases?

Do you take them away? Because that costs a hell of a lot more money then the original welfare payment. Do you let them live on the streets helping create hordes of parent less, uneducated gutter criminals like in Brazil? - and the Police costs needed to handle this cost way more then the aid payments (of course).

Sorry, but Florida is the LAST place to look for well thought out comprehensive ideas.
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We discriminate and differentiate all the time. What is unreasonable about not wanting to give my tax dollars to someone who will burn it in an illegal pursuit? Blind people don't get to drive, pedophiles don't get to work in a child care facility, felons don't get to buy guns, quadriplegics don't get to play pro football, women don't get to serve in combat arms, the list of acceptable discrimination is endless. Drug users are unlikely to use taxpayer aid to better themselves--indeed they are highly likely to use the money to feed or subsidize their habit. Now if aid consisted of subsistence items only (block of cheese, gallon of milk, etc) I might not care who got it but it doesn't.
Because you live in a society and must live with the consequences of your decisions. You cannot just cut people off without dramatic consequences.

Agree with you on the "care not cash" approach. In fact it was Gavin Newsome who really pushed the care not cash approach into law, in San Francisco of all places (gasp)!
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