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      08-16-2011, 09:18 AM   #1
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Rumor:Next M3 Will Get New Twin-Turbo Six-Cylinder

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The engine downsizing trend evident throughout the new, sixth-generation BMW 3-series line-up is also set to be a feature of the successor to today’s BMW M3.
This new performance flagship will reach the UK in coupé form during the first quarter of 2014. When it does, it will forgo the existing M3’s naturally aspirated 4.0-litre V8 in favour of a new twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre, six-cylinder engine that is currently under development at BMW’s M division, on the outskirts of Munich.

The new unit is also scheduled to be used in a successor to the BMW 1-series M Coupé, but in a lower state of tune. The engine has been described to Autocar as being heavily differentiated from the company’s existing twin-turbocharged ‘N54’ and twin-scroll turbocharged ‘N55’ 3.0-litre engines.
Features that have been identified as being unique to the new M Power engine include the management system, induction system, cylinder head, pistons and connecting rods.
Although it is still early days, BMW M insiders suggest that the new six-cylinder engine will produce more power than the existing 414bhp V8, despite its smaller capacity.
At the recent launch of the hardcore M3 CRT saloon, BMW M development boss Albert Biermann hinted at an output in the region of 450bhp from the new unit.

This move is aimed at providing the next M3 with the performance to match the Audi RS5 and recently facelifted Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG.
But whereas the existing M3 makes do with 295lb ft of torque, the 2014 model is set to pack as much as 400lb ft for further performance gains.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/258632/
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      08-16-2011, 09:33 AM   #2
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We've heard for a while that the next-generation BMW M3 will lose its 4.0-liter V8. In fact, back in July, AutoExpress claimed that the next M3 would feature three turbochargers. Not so, says Autocar. Instead, the Brits claim that "insiders" tell them that the high-performance 3 Series will feature a twin-turbo inline-six. This mill reportedly will be all-new, and not based off the N54 twin-turbo or the N55 twin-scroll engine.

But while the two British mags disagree about the number of turbos under the M3's bonnet, the consensus is that power will be increased to 450 horsepower. What's more, the next M3 mill will boast significantly more torque, up from 295 pound-feet in the current generation to somewhere in the vicinity of 400 lb-ft.

We don't know about you, but 450 hp and 400 lb-ft sounds mighty fine to us. We're trying to table that enthusiasm for now, though, so we'll keep this information in the rumormill category for now. After all, the next M3 probably won't hit newsstands until the 2014 model year.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/16/n...-six-cylinder/
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      08-16-2011, 09:38 AM   #3
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i hope this is false - three sounds better than two to me. The thought of having one electric one could do wonders for throttle response, but it could also mean a host of new problems.
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      08-16-2011, 09:49 AM   #4
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NEVER ... NEVER ... NEVER !!!

The chance is nearly sub zero that BMW allows the M-GmbH to develop an completly new engine ... also the innovative 3.3ltr.V6 TTT developed from the M5s 4.4ltr.S63 V8 and to my info prefered from the M Technicans was not chosen because its more costly than an development on the N55 basics.

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"also scheduled to be used in a successor to the BMW 1-series M Coupé"? Shouldn't they be worried about people like us who would just buy the next 1M and tune it to M3 specs?
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      08-16-2011, 11:21 AM   #6
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I'm betting on 3-turbos. AutoCar wrote that article, AutoBlog just reposted it. So the only source saying it will be TT is autocar.
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In Europe in early 2014? So in the US late 2014 as a 2015? I haven't even taken delivery of my 2011 yet. Guess this will give me plenty of time to get board of the car and go to the new one.
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      08-16-2011, 11:29 AM   #8
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Why not 4 turbos? Better yet 6 turbos, one for each cylinder..

2 is enough IMO.
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      08-16-2011, 11:42 AM   #9
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hmmmm sounds so good 3 is good to me but not im curious how reliable is it? ....

i guess i just have to wait for the next year model.... ill wait if any problem occurs during the 1st productions.....
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You know,

450hp with estimated 400ft/lb sounds incredibly salivating to me, regardless of the number of turbos.
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      08-16-2011, 12:43 PM   #11
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two is plenty, seems like M should try to do a decent sequential setup. Seems hard to size two parallel turbos, either you got lag low down with top end or no top end.
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"also scheduled to be used in a successor to the BMW 1-series M Coupé"? Shouldn't they be worried about people like us who would just buy the next 1M and tune it to M3 specs?
Yes, that's why that info in bunk-tastic.

Same marketing philosophy keeps an S63 out of the M3/4 as well. They aren't going to give the M2 the same engine as the larger sibling. Bet on a (very advanced) I4 turbo.

Even with that in mind, I am still more interested in that car than the next M3.
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if that is the case then I'll keep my 2011 for ever and ever no more new ///m3 for me
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      08-16-2011, 02:24 PM   #14
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Yes, that's why that info in bunk-tastic.

Same marketing philosophy keeps an S63 out of the M3/4 as well. They aren't going to give the M2 the same engine as the larger sibling. Bet on a (very advanced) I4 turbo.

Even with that in mind, I am still more interested in that car than the next M3.
I am also wondering why there ar rumors about an I6 for the M2 ... it makes only sence if the M3 would get some form of V8 ... to my infos I also think the M2 gets an highend-version of the I4 Bi/(Tri)Turbo. One reason because the S63 is keep out of the M3/M4 is because it don´t fit in the X3M and the Z4M ... also for the F3X it would be an very tight fit.

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BMW M is blurring the lines between future 1M and M3's. If I had to replace my M3 in 3 years, I'm not sure I would get another M3 given the cars increasing proportions. The E92 is about as big as I would ever go.
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interesting, i guess we will just have to wait and see.
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I am also wondering why there ar rumors about an I6 for the M2 ... it makes only sence if the M3 would get some form of V8 ... to my infos I also think the M2 gets an highend-version of the I4 Bi/(Tri)Turbo. One reason because the S63 is keep out of the M3/M4 is because it don´t fit in the X3M and the Z4M ... also for the F3X it would be an very tight fit.

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The question is though whether BMW can market an inline-4 M2 when there's also an inline-6 235i. People might feel like 'downgrading'.


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Dual Twin-Scroll Turbos.
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yeah I was thinking about that, not sure it how it would work with two parallel turbos, basically 3 cylinders per turbo
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two is plenty, seems like M should try to do a decent sequential setup. Seems hard to size two parallel turbos, either you got lag low down with top end or no top end.
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The question is though whether BMW can market an inline-4 M2 when there's also an inline-6 235i. People might feel like 'downgrading'.


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and if they give the M2 more power than the 235i then that comes too close to the M3
i hope they don't boxsterize the M2
like how the boxster is always neutered so as not to step on the toes of the 911
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and if they give the M2 more power than the 235i then that comes too close to the M3
i hope they don't boxsterize the M2
like how the boxster is always neutered so as not to step on the toes of the 911

I think the M2 will have to be boxsterized. I don't think BMW wants anything in BMW's stable too close the M3 in terms of performance. The current 1M is close enough. I think they will give the M2 the inline TT 4 with less weight than the I6 235i to make the performance better than the 235i but no too close to the M3.

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