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      08-12-2011, 07:24 AM   #23
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I put an AA drop in filter in my car. The stock filter was black and loaded with leaves and helicopters. The difference was amazing I really felt it in the pedal so much low end torque was back. I contribute this to the clean filter.
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      08-15-2011, 01:47 PM   #24
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I also put AA filter, I might try this one though.

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      08-15-2011, 05:08 PM   #25
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I just picked up this kit as well....don't know if I want to install the scoops though....
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      08-15-2011, 09:03 PM   #26
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Brilliant review!

Again, another consistent result from the MS guys!

Please note - see how on the stock car the runs vary by 10hp!

A much bigger gain could have been shown if runs 1-2 were shown instead of runs 3-4!

BUT... very transparent review.

I can see these flying off the shelf!
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      08-16-2011, 03:00 AM   #27
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Rapture's car simply kept making power dyno pull after dyno pull once the S2 was installed.
Call me a skeptic, but that is one of my jobs around here... This sounds like a systematic error rather than power gains...

1. Either the engine adapts immediately to the mods or doesn't.
2. If it does it should not continue to make more power each run. Thus the conclusion is bad dyno results.
3. If it doesn't then you could only see this if it adapted very quickly.

As is typical - there are many ways to spin dyno data. It is often as good as we want it to be when the levels are basically in the noise. We would not be having the discussion (well... unfortunately we probably would be..) if the claimed gains from another modification, say modification "X", were dyno proven to be 2-3 hp.
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      08-16-2011, 07:38 AM   #28
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I can vouch for more power with MS 2
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      08-16-2011, 10:21 AM   #29
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What does this have to do with anything when you have a sealed intake box? You are hung up on open air intake dyno results. An open hood has no benefit on a dyno if the airbox is sealed as the box is pulling air into the same intake paths whether hood is open or not v. open intake where it arguable is sucking in more air and cooler air than with the hood sealing the top.

Anyway useless observation but thanks
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      08-16-2011, 10:26 AM   #30
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Call me a skeptic, but that is one of my jobs around here... This sounds like a systematic error rather than power gains...

1. Either the engine adapts immediately to the mods or doesn't.
2. If it does it should not continue to make more power each run. Thus the conclusion is bad dyno results.
3. If it doesn't then you could only see this if it adapted very quickly.

As is typical - there are many ways to spin dyno data. It is often as good as we want it to be when the levels are basically in the noise. We would not be having the discussion (well... unfortunately we probably would be..) if the claimed gains from another modification, say modification "X", were dyno proven to be 2-3 hp.
Ehhhh - I think what Tom meant is that the car continued to make consistently more power than without the intake.
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      08-16-2011, 10:29 AM   #31
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You're wrong.
Why don't you explain it then?
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      08-16-2011, 10:42 AM   #32
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I purchased this, slightly more intake noise, power TBD. I ran BMC and rpi scoops before. AFR's seem to be staying inline.
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      08-16-2011, 11:02 AM   #33
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I purchased this, slightly more intake noise, power TBD. I ran BMC and rpi scoops before. AFR's seem to be staying inline.
That's because AFR is target driven. This is not an E30 325i.
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      08-16-2011, 11:28 AM   #34
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Why don't you explain it then?
I got da juice.
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      08-17-2011, 10:42 PM   #35
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Call me a skeptic, but that is one of my jobs around here... This sounds like a systematic error rather than power gains...

1. Either the engine adapts immediately to the mods or doesn't.
2. If it does it should not continue to make more power each run. Thus the conclusion is bad dyno results.
3. If it doesn't then you could only see this if it adapted very quickly.

As is typical - there are many ways to spin dyno data. It is often as good as we want it to be when the levels are basically in the noise. We would not be having the discussion (well... unfortunately we probably would be..) if the claimed gains from another modification, say modification "X", were dyno proven to be 2-3 hp.
actually, no this isn't true. You'll find that the car won't adapt immediately, especially if there is no closed loop operation between installation. I would expect that if there was a significant change in airflow that it would take a few pulls for the DME to fully adapt... it should continue making power and plateau.

That said, I'm very skeptical, I just can't see the stock intake tube being a restriction. It has what appears to be a very large cross section, with smooth bends and a very small accordion section.

Scoops, as well, I can't believe. Even if they did manage to somehow pressurize the airbox, the fact that it is open no only to the brake duct (which is probably a low pressure area) but also to the hood vent (also a low pressure area!). I actually think that due to the drastically reduced airflow on a dyno, vs out on the highway, Scoops may actually perform in dyno conditions, definitely less low pressure in both the brake duct and the hood vent.

Anyway, I did notice a small amount of power from my AFE intake (which is really poorly designed because it uses a smaller than stock filter!) so maybe I'm on crack and there is power to be had. I pay people to tune my car and make parts because they are a lot smarter than I am. (although weeding through the noise is hard sometimes)
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      08-20-2011, 07:09 PM   #36
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actually, no this isn't true. You'll find that the car won't adapt immediately, especially if there is no closed loop operation between installation. I would expect that if there was a significant change in airflow that it would take a few pulls for the DME to fully adapt... it should continue making power and plateau.
I can't really be wrong because I said EITHER it adapts immediately OR it doesn't. At least we are both skeptical, that is the more important part...
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      08-20-2011, 07:51 PM   #37
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I can't really be wrong because I said EITHER it adapts immediately OR it doesn't. At least we are both skeptical, that is the more important part...
Sorry, you're right, I didn't read your post right.

Anyway, yeah, I can't imagine it making power... but a back to back swap from the AFE to the stock airbox showed a loss of 6whp. And, the AFE is a poorer design than the Macht Schnell, in that it uses a smaller air filter than stock!

so what do I know? maybe there is power to be had there.
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      08-20-2011, 08:12 PM   #38
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Interesting...I might have to look into this in the future. Exhaust is first, though! Thanks for posting this
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I feel the scoops do not do anything so I am thinking you could install this without the scoops and get the same benefit. Anyone done this
bought mine used from another user w/out the scoops, then added RPI scoops after. There wasn't really a difference that I could feel after adding them in.
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a little skeptical... don't get me wrong, EAS is awesome but just being honest cause MS is directly sold my EAS.

but good numbers none the less.
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Hood was open...
yes i dont know too many pplz that drive with the hood up.
but as long as the owner likes it!!! thats all that matters.
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I guess we should ignore all the other dyno runs ever done because they were all done with the hood up
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yes i dont know too many pplz that drive with the hood up.
but as long as the owner likes it!!! thats all that matters.
Bumping a year old thread to make such a stupid comment.

When people drive, their car are also moving zomg
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Bumping a year old thread to make such a stupid comment.

When people drive, their car are also moving zomg
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