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      08-05-2011, 02:09 PM   #23
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I don't own a M3, but there'd be no way in hell I'd trade a M3 for a 1M.

Keep the NA V8. It'll be a rare beast compared to the rest of the //M engines that'll be available in the future.
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      08-05-2011, 02:09 PM   #24
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Wait-you want to give up an E90 M3 for the 1M?

Looks are subjective. So doesn't matter what we think. The 1M sure has more low end torque and will clip the M3 in a straightline (for a short while)

Let me the first to say that I'm sure the 1M will be blast to drive compared to the M3 simply because its so peppy and flickable compared to the super imposed M3. If anything the 1M harkens back to the days of ragged edge mental driving that ///Ms have been famous for i.e. the 1M can be a widowmaker in the wrong hands.

I've got a E90 M3 on order which is why its even more significant when I say-the 1M has the fun quotient signed and sealed. You won't regret the move (assuming you make it). Be prepared for fewer creature comforts and a back to the basics cockpit with the 1M but then again its an enthusiasts car.

Things you will miss-8300 rpm S65 engine (personally its too good to pass up), the glorious music from the exhausts, bigger room, practicality and the prestigious bespoke M3 badge.

For me-I needed a discounted supercar hence the E90 M3.

Note-I for one did drive my neighbors 1M. Its fun but you always get the feeling that they were just filling a need in the market. i.e. the 1M was built to fit a bracket.
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      08-05-2011, 02:11 PM   #25
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I saw a 1M up close. Based on looks alone, I wouldn't even consider it. Maybe be fun to drive, potential to be a track demon & all that, but it's not for me.
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      08-05-2011, 02:13 PM   #26
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if you DIDNT have the m3, i think it would 50/50 on the 1M vs M3... however considering that you already own an m3 and have to lose money on it to jump into an 1M, i dont think the decision is wise. i mean the 1M is a good car but its not good enough for me to lose money on my m3 in order to get it.
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It is really hard to not argue that the M3 is not the better car in most ways. If you were buying new and the cheaper price of the 1M mattered than I think it would be a good move. But to lose money, downgrade the vehicle overall (1M would be better in weight and low end torque but not as good anywhere else really) and give up the last NA production M ever would be a big mistake.

I know what it feels like to want something "new". You see the 1M, hear the positive reviews, like the idea of something different... but it is a downgrade and you would be paying to do so. Although some reviews like the 1M compared to the M3, most still conclude that, money aside, the M3 is the better car. Motor Trend loved the 1M but still concluded they would take the M3 because it is a special car.

Again, IMO, if you owned neither then it would be a cost/preference issue. As you own an M3, you are PAYING to downgrade IMO. After the novelty of the 1M wore off, I would bet $100 you would regret the move.
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      08-05-2011, 02:50 PM   #28
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I have the ability to get my hands on a 1M. This would require that I trade in my M3 E90 DCT ZCP DD.
I purposely posted this on this M3 forum to get the most critical reasoning on the pros and cons.

Changing right now is going to cost me, but I'm tempted by the lighter weight, 6MT gearbox, and its low-end torque.
Every 1M review has been glowing. Am I nuts contemplating this or will the 1M be more fun?
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      08-05-2011, 02:55 PM   #29
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You lose:
2 cylinders
Linear UNINTERRUPTED power
2 doors
1500 RPM
Iconic car (especially E90)
Money
Engine sound
S65 engine from M division, won 3 engine of year awards and counting...

You gain:
Lighter but smaller car (Smart car is even lighter!!)
Turbo (I wouldnt count that as a gain myself)
Overall similar performance (well until you overheat)

I guess if you were to gain money in this transaction, I would understand, but PAYING!!
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      08-05-2011, 02:59 PM   #30
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I actually had a deposit down, and was a few weeks away from getting an allocation for a 1M via local dealer.

I ultimately decided that the looks, lack of S65, and DCT availability in the M3 was enough to push me over the edge and order a '12 E92 M3.

An M3 is nicer inside than the 1M, for sure. It will all probably boil down to 3-4 things that will push you one way or the other:
  • Engine preference
  • Looks preference
  • Transmission choice
  • Money

All of those (except money - but M3 wasn't too much more of a stretch) swayed me to M3 in the end.
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      08-05-2011, 03:02 PM   #31
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I saw a 1M up close. Based on looks alone, I wouldn't even consider it. Maybe be fun to drive, potential to be a track demon & all that, but it's not for me.
I've driven it, hard and in the PCD track in greenville, and NO, it won't be any more of a track "demon" than the M3 is....period!

great car and it definitely has that "M" driving dynamics (as it should, given the parts they share), and the engine has virtually no delay in throttle response, etc, etc..... But it's no "M3 beater" that some are making it out to be
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      08-05-2011, 03:09 PM   #32
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I'd get the 1M if it had a DCT. Keep in mind the amazing engine in the M3 is on it's way out.
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I've seen some of your posts and threads over on the 1m forum and seems you really want to trade. You get the car you want which is lighter, more nimble and by many accounts, more fun to drive. So the real question is really, what is holding you to the M3? If the switch doesn't cost you that much, might as well just do it.

Unless your backseat is usually full, I don't think you lose all that much in practicality. And though different cars, I would not consider the 1m a downgrade by any means.
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      08-05-2011, 03:51 PM   #34
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having driven both extensively, it's hard to say one's better than the other, but they are VERY different. have you had a chance to drive the 1M much?

for me the big plus for the 1M is its compact size, which is refreshing, as the M3 strikes me as way too big (single, offspring-free, short-commute-having, child of the e30/e36 generation). The plus for the M3 is of course the NA V8, which i find to be much more enjoyable than the FI 6 in the 1M. some people will also count rarity as a plus for the 1M, but i think that's a weak "plus".

i don't think you can make a bad decision here, but make sure you drive the 1M a bunch before deciding (which may be tough).
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      08-05-2011, 03:58 PM   #35
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I see in your signatuure that you also own a 335. If you really crave the feeling of big torque then just tune that car and drive it around every now and then. As for torque in your M3, supercharge it.

Contrary to what most are saying in this thread, i think the 1M looks great. Not as sexy as an M3 but very tough and purposeful looking.

To sum it up though, i would just keep the car you have which is a great one.
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      08-05-2011, 04:00 PM   #36
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The reviews have been good for 1M but I drove and I didn't think it was for me because it is a lot smaller compared to an M3 and while it drives decent, the engine is still not a V8. It's a great car though but one has to have a reason for buying it.
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      08-05-2011, 04:17 PM   #37
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I opted for a 1M because I WANTED something small and lightweight. That wasn't a drawback for me, I'm not a subscriber to the "bigger is better" theory. I think the M3 is a bit on the big side.

This is second car for me, and other is a 530xi, so I don't need the extra space. I wanted something that will be fun on the track. If this was my only car I'd probably opt for the M3, which is probably a better daily driver.

Both great cars, just depends on your situation I guess.
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I would not sell a 2011 M3 to get into the 1M. Maybe if you had a 2008 and were looking for something a little different. I love the 1M coupe, but there's definitely not enough incentives to trade in a brand new M3 for one. Don't get sucked into all the "New M Car" hype. It's definitely well-deserved, but in no way does it make it a better car than the M3.
I think this is reasonable advice. I had an 08 E90M3 and was ready for a change. And as far as which car is better? Well, the purely objective answer is the M3, because it is more powerful and more money, and the M6 would be 'better' than the M3 for the same reason. But it's not always that simple.

For example, what is 'better' for a specific individual will be different from what you think would be better. You get into subjective territory. Like how a car 'feels'. I don't think anyone who can afford a 1M will say they can't afford $100 more a month for an equivalent M3. The cost differential between the 1M and M3 is pretty small. Personally, even though I loved the M3(and M6 that followed), I found myself having less 'fun' driving the car compared to my previous E46M3 and Z4Mcoupe. The 1M recaptures a bit of that visceral(yes i know, subjective) experience.
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Sell/trade in the 335. Best of the N54, and an S65 to boot...
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I think this is reasonable advice. I had an 08 E90M3 and was ready for a change. And as far as which car is better? Well, the purely objective answer is the M3, because it is more powerful and more money, and the M6 would be 'better' than the M3 for the same reason. But it's not always that simple.

For example, what is 'better' for a specific individual will be different from what you think would be better. You get into subjective territory. Like how a car 'feels'. I don't think anyone who can afford a 1M will say they can't afford $100 more a month for an equivalent M3. The cost differential between the 1M and M3 is pretty small. Personally, even though I loved the M3(and M6 that followed), I found myself having less 'fun' driving the car compared to my previous E46M3 and Z4Mcoupe. The 1M recaptures a bit of that visceral(yes i know, subjective) experience.
Yes I know the objective answer is the M3 based on price and what you get. Having owned a modified 135i, I have no doubts that the 1M coupe is probably subjectively just as fun to drive, if not more so. Handling-wise, the 1M wins in pure driving enjoyment because of the shorter wheelbase and lighter weight. But the power delivery, throttle response, high revs, and the sound of the S65 which all equates to joy in the M3 (at least for me). And then for some people, whatever is newer is always better.
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I think the main things to consider are luxury, looks, and engine characteristics. Both are M cars so you know both will perform extremely well. Performance aside...which one do you think looks better? Would you be willing to lose some interior luxury by switching to a 1M?

As for the engines - they are extremely different. If you have not driven a turbo car I suggest doing so as you will find it is quite different than the high-revving V8 in your M3. I had a mkv GTI before my M coupe and the engine characteristics couldn't be more different. Turbo "feels" faster and has tons of low-end power but fizzles up top. High-revving NA engine is more linear in power delivery and makes beautiful sounds.

Personally, I would hold on to your M3 as I prefer just about every aspect of it compared to the 1M.
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id say drive it and than pick. I come from a track prepped stiff as hell s2000. I wanted a car that reminded me and drove like the e30/e36/e46. I grew up driving some of my older friends m3s. The new e9x though is a SOFT luxury cruiser to me IMHO. thats why i didn't pick it. Now there is nothing wrong with that. I expect the next M5 to be a luxury cruiser with a crap ton of power and i might get that as my daily driver. But i wanted another car like my s200 (stiff, small, "flickable"). i wanted a true sports car. Not another luxury car with a big engine. To me the 1M is the true successor to the M3 line and heritage. The e9x is not the true pure sports car that the e30-e46 car was.

Also everyone hates on FI but remember the M3 will not be NA anymore and i bet when the new M3 comes out with a FI'ed engine everyone over here will love FI
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id say drive it and than pick. I come from a track prepped stiff as hell s2000. I wanted a car that reminded me and drove like the e30/e36/e46. I grew up driving some of my older friends m3s. The new e9x though is a SOFT luxury cruiser to me IMHO. thats why i didn't pick it. Now there is nothing wrong with that. I expect the next M5 to be a luxury cruiser with a crap ton of power and i might get that as my daily driver. But i wanted another car like my s200 (stiff, small, "flickable"). i wanted a true sports car. Not another luxury car with a big engine.
The 1M isn't a true sports car either and there's at least a 600lbs difference between your s2000 and the 1M coupe. The 1M is much closer to the M3 in weight and feel than to your S2000.
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Also everyone hates on FI but remember the M3 will not be NA anymore..
Not really by choice.
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