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      07-27-2011, 09:51 PM   #67
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What is the new navigation system?
Yea, will it look different than the 2011's?
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      07-27-2011, 10:16 PM   #68
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      07-27-2011, 10:35 PM   #69
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What is the new navigation system?
Same, it's just a cheaper option now because the Convenience package got taken apart. Ipod and theft alarm are now included with the vehicle and the rest of the stuff got moved to the Premium Package.
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      07-27-2011, 11:23 PM   #70
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Great info Jason! Thank you for posting.

This is what I was waiting to see. What I didn't see was any mention of extended leather. Surely ext. leather is still an option w/ non-individual interiors.
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      07-28-2011, 12:07 AM   #71
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ZPP for the Convertible seems too cheap. $2500 means that the 2012 Convertibles are going to be significantly cheaper than the 2011 E93.

My 2011 E93:

$67550 MSRP
$ 2900 Convenience
$ 750 ZCW
$ 1350 PP2
$ 2900 M-DCT
$ 1250 19" wheels
$ 1900 Premium Sound
$ 875 Dest
$1700 Gas Guzzler

Total $81175

2012 E93 M3
$68550 MSRP
$ 750 ZCW
$ 2500 Premium
$ 2900 M-DCT
$ 1250 19" wheels
$ 1900 Premium Sound
$ 875 Dest
$1700 Gas Guzzler

Total $80425

Ok, so $750 cheaper but still... not bad. Yeah, definitely the last model year.
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      07-28-2011, 12:18 AM   #72
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You ever deal with Canadian customers? Just curious
I'm going to assume that for us Canadians 2011 is the last of the M3 we can order up here?
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And we get the rear sunshade thrown in too
Along with the inevitable rattles that those things produce.
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      07-28-2011, 03:14 AM   #74
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whats all this talk about 2012>2011? "im so glad i waited"? seriously its the exact same car with different package options... wow
rear sunshades and free mats? heard of tint and free mats by dealer?

*no im not bitter, proud of my 2011
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whats all this talk about 2012>2011? "im so glad )i waited"? seriously its the exact same car with different package options... wow
rear sunshades and free mats? heard of tint and free mats by dealer?

*no im not bitter, proud of my 2011
True, same car (E92), same (about) price. The biggest change is for the E93, and if you planned on ordering Individual. Seems like there's some pretty decent savings there.

Too bad they didn't offer those Individual package options for the E92, I would have been tempted by Azurite.
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      07-28-2011, 08:22 AM   #76
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*cough*

The E90 is old news, anyone seen the whereabouts of an efficient/tossable M3..? Oh.. is that still 3 years off..?
No kidding. This M3 generation's inefficiency and lack of economy have me seriously rethinking a 2012 E92 purchase. It's just hard to mentally accept the reality of getting 14/20mpg when cars with comparable performance are getting significantly better economy (1M, Cayman R). Not a matter of money; a matter of waste.
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      07-28-2011, 08:39 AM   #77
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What is the new navigation system?
I guess it will no longer tell you to turn the wrong way into a one way street
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haha, that would be tits
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I'm going to assume that for us Canadians 2011 is the last of the M3 we can order up here?
If that is the case then I will be happy with what I've got. I will rent a Bimmer at Die Welt instead of picking up my next car in München ... Perhaps I'll pick up a C63 in Stuttgart who knows MB gives a guy some pretty good deals.

Besides the 2011 verses the 2012 the way it looks to me is not much different other then the option selection and perhaps saving $500- or so on the final bottom line.

Then you have the advantage of saving 7% or is it 8% on the taxes
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haha, that would be tits
Mind you I don't have that problem with my updated TomTom
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True, same car (E92), same (about) price. The biggest change is for the E93, and if you planned on ordering Individual. Seems like there's some pretty decent savings there.

Too bad they didn't offer those Individual package options for the E92, I would have been tempted by Azurite.
Indeed.
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ED and US pricing is now available for my program. Working late, taking orders and providing quotes!
I don't understand why BMW ignores the rest of the world ... for us Canadians up here the pricing and option structure will only be published in September so I am told by my Canadian Dealership. That sucks
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No kidding. This M3 generation's inefficiency and lack of economy have me seriously rethinking a 2012 E92 purchase. It's just hard to mentally accept the reality of getting 14/20mpg when cars with comparable performance are getting significantly better economy (1M, Cayman R). Not a matter of money; a matter of waste.
These cars are not for everyone, some people are better served with a Prius, if you are mentally worried about fuel mileage. It's always about the money.
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These cars are not for everyone, some people are better served with a Prius, if you are mentally worried about fuel mileage. It's always about the money.
It is not about the money. He is absolutely correct. M3 mileage is horrid. For example 2011 Porsche 911 turbo S is rated 17/25...that's significant 5mpg better economy on highway...on the dedicated luxury, sports car that is twice as expensive as M3 and it has 100hp more.

E46 M3 was rated 16/24. I can understand losing city mileage due to more cylinders in the V8, but how did highway drop 4mpg on the NEWER model?
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These cars are not for everyone, some people are better served with a Prius, if you are mentally worried about fuel mileage. It's always about the money.
I'm not worried about fuel mileage. I'm worried about needless wastage. There's a way to get decent economy and performance, and this M3 generation doesn't strike that balance the way the E46 did. There's no need to run the faucet for the hell of it.
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      07-28-2011, 10:13 AM   #87
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It is not about the money. He is absolutely correct. M3 mileage is horrid. For example 2011 Porsche 911 turbo S is rated 17/25...that's significant 5mpg better economy on highway...on the dedicated luxury, sports car that is twice as expensive as M3 and it has 100hp more.

E46 M3 was rated 16/24. I can understand losing city mileage due to more cylinders in the V8, but how did highway drop 4mpg on the NEWER model?
The Porsche has turbos, now you can see why BMW is going in that direction for the next M3. Also all things being equal, going from a i6 to a v8 should raise both numbers because of the increase in displacement. Highways don't magically make the engine smaller. Other cars, like the 1M and cayman r are also significantly smaller which means - lighter. Weight = mpg, nothing surprising there. Also the 1M has turbos.

The Vette and the new Mustang have surprisingly efficient motors. Those aside, the other competitors like the C63, CTS-V also get lousy mileage.

The next M3 will likely be a lot more efficient, but it seems that we're looking at the end of the v8 and naturally aspirated motors.
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What is the new navigation system?
I think that "new" reference in the announcement was regarding the package change, not actual new navigation hardware.
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