BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > General M3 Forum (E90 + E92 + E93)
 
ESS Tuning
View Poll Results: Carbon Fiber Roof or Sunroof?
Carbon Fiber Roof 146 75.26%
Sunroof 48 24.74%
Voters: 194. You may not vote on this poll

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-14-2007, 08:05 PM   #1
Hans Delbruck
BMW & MB - friends in my garage
Hans Delbruck's Avatar
United_States
21
Rep
1,285
Posts

 
Drives: C63, 135i, 1959 BUICK
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Huntington Beach, CA

iTrader: (0)

Poll: Carbon Fiber roof or Sunroof?

Which will you choose?

I am torn. The CF roof looks fantastic, but I like having a sunroof. To me the M3 is really too heavy to be a pure sportscar anyway, so why not enjoy the sun and breeze a little more while you listen to that amazing V8 music?

Which will you choose?
Appreciate 0
      04-14-2007, 08:18 PM   #2
Epacy
Reincarnated
Epacy's Avatar
88
Rep
4,227
Posts

 
Drives: 02 Maxima SE
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: IL

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2008 M3  [0.00]
CF no doubt!!
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-14-2007, 08:37 PM   #3
esquire
Colonel
esquire's Avatar
United_States
58
Rep
2,801
Posts

 
Drives: 2011.5 Dakar Yellow M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Orange County, California

iTrader: (0)

no brainer. cf.
__________________

[ESS VT2-625] [Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust] [KW Clubsports] [OSS Angel Eyes] [Revinora r-CRT Lip]
[Vorsteiner Boot] [Challenge Race Diffuser] [See the Build Thread HERE]
Appreciate 0
      04-14-2007, 08:41 PM   #4
eluder
First Lieutenant
4
Rep
309
Posts

 
Drives: m
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: home

iTrader: (0)

You know, I think the CF roof is very cool. But every car I've owned has had a moonroof. It's to the point where if I don't have the light shining it, it's a bit claustrophobic for me. I like the open-ness of the moonroof. If it's a no cost option, I'll probably opt for it.
Appreciate 0
      04-14-2007, 09:20 PM   #5
carbonblackcab
New Member
0
Rep
16
Posts

 
Drives: E46 M3 Cab
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Miami, FL

iTrader: (0)

I love to hear the sound of the engine and nothing comes close to driving thru a tunnel with the sunroof and windows open.

I have sat in an M6 with CF roof with no sun roof and it feels very claustofabix. The CF roof may offer a few tenths of performance increase, but I dont care. I am not racing my car and a few tenths of performance loss is of no significance.

Also, the resale value of cars with CF room will probaly be lower than the ones with the CF roof. CF roof is something only the hard core enthausists will opt for and the market for CF room will be small when you look at the overall sales for 4-5 years.

As I am finding out, heated seats, power everything, nav, etc help immensely when you are selling your M3.
Appreciate 0
      04-14-2007, 09:32 PM   #6
DougLikesBMW
Fapmin
DougLikesBMW's Avatar
162
Rep
2,664
Posts

 
Drives: '03 E46 330Ci
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Plano, Texas

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by carbonblackcab View Post
I love to hear the sound of the engine and nothing comes close to driving thru a tunnel with the sunroof and windows open.

I have sat in an M6 with CF roof with no sun roof and it feels very claustofabix. The CF roof may offer a few tenths of performance increase, but I dont care. I am not racing my car and a few tenths of performance loss is of no significance.

Also, the resale value of cars with CF room will probaly be lower than the ones with the CF roof. CF roof is something only the hard core enthausists will opt for and the market for CF room will be small when you look at the overall sales for 4-5 years.

As I am finding out, heated seats, power everything, nav, etc help immensely when you are selling your M3.
Don't only hardcore enthusiasts buy M3s anyways?

I couldn't say which I would pick....I love my sunroof on my 330Ci...
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 03:17 AM   #7
Romo
Captain
Romo's Avatar
Netherlands
13
Rep
941
Posts

 
Drives: 1M, HP4 Comp, Cayman GTS
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The Netherlands

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by carbonblackcab View Post
I love to hear the sound of the engine and nothing comes close to driving thru a tunnel with the sunroof and windows open.

I have sat in an M6 with CF roof with no sun roof and it feels very claustofabix. The CF roof may offer a few tenths of performance increase, but I dont care. I am not racing my car and a few tenths of performance loss is of no significance.

Also, the resale value of cars with CF room will probaly be lower than the ones with the CF roof. CF roof is something only the hard core enthausists will opt for and the market for CF room will be small when you look at the overall sales for 4-5 years.

As I am finding out, heated seats, power everything, nav, etc help immensely when you are selling your M3.

Not according too the poll

Anyway; I think reselling the M3 whitout the CF roof is way more difficult, the CF roof is the most important feature that sets it apart from other cars ( engine too off course), if you want a sunroof, you can buy any other car that comes to mind
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 05:22 AM   #8
imolazhp_ci
Major
12
Rep
1,002
Posts

 
Drives: Z4 M Coupe
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: orange county

iTrader: (0)

why is this even being discussed? they aren't offering any options for a sunroof.
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 05:31 AM   #9
The CSL
For the love of ///M3
The CSL's Avatar
United Kingdom
7
Rep
660
Posts

 
Drives: Peugeot 306 XSI 16v
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Plymouth, UK

iTrader: (0)

CF roof everytime. It was the CSL's coolest feature and that's enough for me to want one.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 05:55 AM   #10
ilmor
ilmor
United_States
0
Rep
46
Posts

 
Drives: BMW M3
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: CT

iTrader: (0)

Send a message via Yahoo to ilmor
Quote:
Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci View Post
why is this even being discussed? they aren't offering any options for a sunroof.
Precisely my thought! But, if they do offer a sunroof, I would probably go for it. Also, I'm a little worried about this CF roof. For one thing, it is carbon-fiber REINFORCED PLASTIC, so not really carbon fiber anyway (I think), plus, will it stand the test of time or will we be reading about these roofs cracking in 2 years?
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 07:00 AM   #11
imolazhp_ci
Major
12
Rep
1,002
Posts

 
Drives: Z4 M Coupe
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: orange county

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ilmor View Post
Precisely my thought! But, if they do offer a sunroof, I would probably go for it. Also, I'm a little worried about this CF roof. For one thing, it is carbon-fiber REINFORCED PLASTIC, so not really carbon fiber anyway (I think), plus, will it stand the test of time or will we be reading about these roofs cracking in 2 years?
CFRP is what is known as wet carbon fiber. it is cheaper, more durable to the elements, etc. dry carbon fiber (pure cf) does not lend itself to take any sort of everyday beating.
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 08:40 AM   #12
Smoltz
Lieutenant
5
Rep
464
Posts

 
Drives: 04 Challenge Stradale + 02 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Live Free or Die

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci View Post
why is this even being discussed? they aren't offering any options for a sunroof.
Yes they are. It's a no charge option. It's in the German price list. Option 403.

-Adam
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 08:43 AM   #13
ase2dais
//Mdicted
ase2dais's Avatar
United_States
127
Rep
9,875
Posts

 
Drives: a Cop Magnet
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: 495 Ring

iTrader: (17)

Garage List
Im surprise the amount of folks that would opt CF roof over Sunroof
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 09:06 AM   #14
carbonblackcab
New Member
0
Rep
16
Posts

 
Drives: E46 M3 Cab
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Miami, FL

iTrader: (0)

While the CF roof may save a few pounds, I doubt it will make a difference in performance. CF looks very nice, but I cant imgaine having an M3 witout a sun roof.....the sensation of speed is enhanced by having the windows down and the sun roof open.

I currently have an E46 cab and going fast with the top down is a unique experience. You hear the sound of the sound of the engine echoing off the walls and other cars..it is awesome.
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 09:14 AM   #15
josowski
nil desperandum, illegitimi non caborundum
josowski's Avatar
0
Rep
17
Posts

 
Drives: 2004 M3
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Westlake Village, CA

iTrader: (0)

CF or Sunroof

This will be a tough call.

Since the current M3's my wife's, and the new one will be her's also, she will most likely opt for the sunroof version.

The "few" times I get to drive it, I enjoy the view up.

:rocks:
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 11:01 AM   #16
skierman64
Brigadier General
skierman64's Avatar
United_States
43
Rep
3,068
Posts

 
Drives: 2008 E92 Space Gray M3 & E36M3
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Greater St Louis Metro area

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
1998 M3 Coupe  [0.00]
2008 M3 Coupe  [0.00]
Send a message via Yahoo to skierman64
At only 11 lbs difference between the CF roof and the metal roof (without sunroof) I think the overall difference with the sunroof may be 50lbs. I will probably track the car only 2 or 3 times a year. And the difference in performance will be small. I can enjoy the sunroof 365 days a year. I think I have to go with the sunroof.

However I was at my dealer Thursday night and the CF roof does look cool on the M6.
__________________
Get a professional motorsports full featured stopwatch app for your Blackberry here: http://appworld.blackberry.com/webstore/content/19464
Invest Wisely...The best mod for your money?? BMWCCA high performance driver's school. The mod that lasts a lifetime and improves the performance of any car you drive
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 01:27 PM   #17
Hans Delbruck
BMW & MB - friends in my garage
Hans Delbruck's Avatar
United_States
21
Rep
1,285
Posts

 
Drives: C63, 135i, 1959 BUICK
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Huntington Beach, CA

iTrader: (0)

I have a carbon fiber wing (standard) on my Evo 8. Mitsubishi has had some issues with the plastic gloss coating wearing off of the wings. I left some bird poop on my wing for too long (maybe a week) and there is now a dull mark and a tiny pinhole in the CF coating on my wing where the poop was. Not that BMW would ever create a product of this quality... but, "food for thought".... I'm not convinced coated CF is as durable as painted metal. Someone with a carbon fiber hood might chime in.....
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 03:05 PM   #18
JEllis
Brigadier General
JEllis's Avatar
84
Rep
4,786
Posts

 
Drives: E36 M3, E92 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: SD CA/Yuma

iTrader: (4)

sunroof? on a race oriented car.....are you serious
__________________
http://www.m3post.com/forums/signaturepics/sigpic14547_7.gif
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 04:15 PM   #19
Smoltz
Lieutenant
5
Rep
464
Posts

 
Drives: 04 Challenge Stradale + 02 M3
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Live Free or Die

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JEllis View Post
sunroof? on a race oriented car.....are you serious
~3700 lbs... race oriented...??

-Adam

Last edited by Smoltz; 04-15-2007 at 07:27 PM.
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 04:26 PM   #20
j|rz44
Lieutenant Colonel
22
Rep
1,685
Posts

 
Drives: 335i|E92
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Lost

iTrader: (2)

Garage List
07 335i  [0.00]
Get the sunroof, you'll regret it if you dont....
V8's are for pussies BTW!

Enjoy
__________________
Life is Good
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 06:32 PM   #21
esquire
Colonel
esquire's Avatar
United_States
58
Rep
2,801
Posts

 
Drives: 2011.5 Dakar Yellow M3 Coupe
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Orange County, California

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by imolazhp_ci View Post
why is this even being discussed? they aren't offering any options for a sunroof.

do your research. german options list clearly indicates the moonroof is a no cost option which will delete the carbon fiber roof.

link: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...9&postcount=39
__________________

[ESS VT2-625] [Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust] [KW Clubsports] [OSS Angel Eyes] [Revinora r-CRT Lip]
[Vorsteiner Boot] [Challenge Race Diffuser] [See the Build Thread HERE]
Appreciate 0
      04-15-2007, 07:10 PM   #22
imolazhp_ci
Major
12
Rep
1,002
Posts

 
Drives: Z4 M Coupe
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: orange county

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by esquire View Post
do your research. german options list clearly indicates the moonroof is a no cost option which will delete the carbon fiber roof.

link: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...9&postcount=39
well the England Dealer Info PDF mentions no such thing.
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:28 PM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST