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      07-27-2011, 12:38 AM   #23
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      07-27-2011, 12:55 AM   #24
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      07-27-2011, 08:57 AM   #25
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      07-27-2011, 03:42 PM   #26
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Am I the only one who likes how it looks? That rear end almost seems reminiscent of an Aston, and the side profile looks like a 911 merged with a Cayman. Beautiful!
It looks more like a Cayman because the greenhouse is a lot smaller. I think this looks great. I know that the 911 has great visibility and it will now lose some of this but I welcome this change. I think the car just looks so much more sleek and gives more flow to the roofline.
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      07-27-2011, 06:50 PM   #27
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While still good looking cars in their own right, none of the modern Porsches have really "wowed" me from an aesthetic standpoint...I'm far from an oil (air) cooled purist, but the design peaked for my own preferences with the 964 and 993 variants. Since then, the designs seem to lack the the taut lines and general organic simplicity in favor of "augmenting" the general shape with glitzier, attention grabbing details (be they functional, or not). Of course this is true of almost all cars, where the "big picture" of the design seems to have taken less importance where what used to be merely design elements are paid much more attention often at the sake of final cohesiveness. I especially see this in headlight and taillight treatment, where instead of flowing along with the cars front and rear designs, they now seem to dominate it.
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Porsche prob makes the best performance car in the world...esp for the price


They just don't catch your eye like a Ferrari or even an R8 or Aston V8V, which are similarly priced.
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      07-27-2011, 08:28 PM   #28
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Going to be a great car undoubtedly. My only complaint about the aesthetics from what we've seen is that it looks long. I have this same complaint with the e92 M3.

I have read though that the 991 will see a weight reduction from the 997. I hope BMW follows this philosophy with the f3x m3...
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      07-27-2011, 08:46 PM   #29
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Going to be a great car undoubtedly. My only complaint about the aesthetics from what we've seen is that it looks long. I have this same complaint with the e92 M3.

I have read though that the 991 will see a weight reduction from the 997. I hope BMW follows this philosophy with the f3x m3...
Lol in your dreams. BMWs are getting bigger and heavier - the BMW of old is long gone.
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      07-28-2011, 09:02 AM   #30
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991 is supposed to be 100 lbs lighter in the normal (911/911S) models. Porsche are one of the very few who have been able to keep weight in check.
New 458 Italia is ~3500 lbs for example.
The 458 has a dry weight of a touch over 3000lbs, with racing seats. Factor in fluids, and standard seats, and you're looking at a curb weight around 3200

http://www.ferrari.com/English/GT_Sp...58-Italia.aspx

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/im...ari-458-italia

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      07-28-2011, 09:27 AM   #32
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I think 'merging with a Cayman' is not a good thing. Overall - meh
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      07-28-2011, 01:45 PM   #33
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Youre way off.

Look at this, ACTUAL curb weight from a test. 3451 lbs.

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezfl...1165617301.pdf

Another one for the 458 where it weighs over 3600 lbs.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...13afadd860.pdf

It is NOT a light car. Ferrari can quote all the dry weight they light, but fact of the matter is, its a heavy car.
Do you really believe a weight figure quote by ferrari given that they cant even send a 'real' customer car to a mag test in fear it will lose.
Wow dude, chill out. I provided an R&T link which said it was 32xx which seemed to corroborate Ferrari's dry weight of 30xx. I hadn't seen any "as tested" weights (which include driver and fuel, so they are in constant inconsistency). It's certainly not a light car, but it's on par with it's segment. And don't even start to think Ferrari is the only one who provides the press with "hot" cars
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      07-28-2011, 02:00 PM   #34
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I for one welcome the longer wheel base. Beautifully classic as always.
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      07-28-2011, 02:05 PM   #35
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Wow dude, chill out. I provided an R&T link which said it was 32xx which seemed to corroborate Ferrari's dry weight of 30xx. I hadn't seen any "as tested" weights (which include driver and fuel, so they are in constant inconsistency). It's certainly not a light car, but it's on par with it's segment. And don't even start to think Ferrari is the only one who provides the press with "hot" cars
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I wasnt getting heated about it. But the curb weights listed do not count the driver.
And no, they arent the only ones sending ringers.
Ok...perhaps just the way I read it.

Car weight can be argued to the death, on one hand, it makes sense that the listed weight does not include driver, since not everyone weighs the same, which will effect (albeit not very much) everything from handling to acceleration to gas mileage. Additionally, since the amount of fuel in a car is always in flux, it makes sense that the most "consistent" weight would be with an empty tank.

If this is the case, Ferrari must be overestimating the curb weight based on the figures R&T lists for curb weight (unless they weigh the car with a bone dry tank themselves, which is nearly impossible). R&T's difference between curb and tested weight for the 458 is only 160lbs, one would think that some fuel in the tank (given a gallon of pump gas weighs about 6lbs per gal), driver, and testing gear would equal more than 160lbs.
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i love this shot of the turbo - it looks a lot sleeker and the rear quarters look more aggressive, even if it is a bit panamera-ish:

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      07-28-2011, 06:03 PM   #38
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      07-28-2011, 07:46 PM   #39
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      07-29-2011, 09:07 PM   #40
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Looks awesome. Wonder if 993 prices will increase again?
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It looks more sleek. The roofline looks more low slung and the headlights as well as the tailights are going to be more 'tilted'. I'm already really excited with how it's going to look.

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      07-30-2011, 02:43 AM   #42
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      07-30-2011, 03:05 AM   #43
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i love this shot of the turbo - it looks a lot sleeker and the rear quarters look more aggressive, even if it is a bit panamera-ish:
Yeh, love this shot. 911 turbo is so dreamy
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