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      07-25-2011, 07:08 AM   #1
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which intake is better??

Macht Schnell Stage2 or AFE Stage2???

and which AFE filter is better: oiled or dry??



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      07-25-2011, 08:22 AM   #2
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I would stick with MS.
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      07-25-2011, 08:47 AM   #3
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just choose your favorite. little if any gains by these things, I'd stay OEM if I were you.
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      07-25-2011, 09:33 AM   #4
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so not worth the money?? better just a K&N filter or someone?
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      07-25-2011, 09:43 AM   #5
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I still have yet to see an independent dyno comparing OEM to High Flow Filter to a full "Stage 2" intake.

I think it's safe to say that majority of the gains from an intake will come from a new higher flowing filter. Although, I believe some of the higher powered NA S65s are running the MS Stage 2.
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      07-25-2011, 11:36 AM   #6
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just change the filter and your good to go... 0-3 HP gain...

sound will be good though.

if you want gain HP.. .go with exhaust. full that is. removing primary cat and secondary will give you the best GAIN.
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      07-25-2011, 11:51 AM   #7
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I'd stick with Macht Schnell
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      07-25-2011, 11:52 AM   #8
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But aFe has a nice machined port....

Gains will be minimal and mostly from the filter from either, but the engine sure sounds amazing with one.
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I got 5-hp from the MS filter-only swap. The rest is just looks.
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Video of MS Stage 2 under full throttle at the track. Im actually really happy with the sound. I have yet to dyno but I am planning on it soon.



ALSO! MS Stage 2 Filter is twice the size of the AFE.
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      07-25-2011, 01:19 PM   #11
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Video of MS Stage 2 under full throttle at the track. Im actually really happy with the sound. I have yet to dyno but I am planning on it soon.



ALSO! MS Stage 2 Filter is twice the size of the AFE.
Great video!

The OEM airboxes are very efficient, the Macht Schnell S2 intakes add to that making considerable gains and adding a nice throaty sound under acceleration.
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      07-25-2011, 01:20 PM   #12
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I'm happy with my AFE Stage II intake.

I don't think you can go wrong by going either way. MS makes very good products.
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      07-25-2011, 01:25 PM   #13
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MS Stage 2 adds a nice little throatiness, but gains are fairly marginal as mentioned above. Both I'm sure would fit their purpose tho
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      07-25-2011, 01:59 PM   #14
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go with stock...regarding the afe intake, check out the eurotuner m3 build article they did a few months back...they installed an afe intake......interesting results...
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      07-25-2011, 02:06 PM   #15
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go with stock...regarding the afe intake, check out the eurotuner m3 build article they did a few months back...they installed an afe intake......interesting results...
do you have a link by chance? interesting as in good or bad?
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      07-25-2011, 03:06 PM   #16
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EUROTUNER PROJECT

"Intake
aFe has two cold-air intake systems for the E9x M3. One replaces the stock air box with a 6" cone filter. Supplied with a heatshield and air scoops, it's quoted to give 15hp and 13 lb-ft.

A more stealthy approach is with the CAI we chose. It has a large oval filter and plastic intake tube but retains the stock air box to reduce noise and avoid underhood heat. A molded recess in the aFe intake tube seals the air box to ensure a cold air supply.

Surprisingly, aFe claims this system produces up to 18hp and 15 lb-ft thanks to an increase in airflow of 41% over the factory intake."

"Results
Before the aFe parts were fitted, two of the company's technicians, Jonathan Perez and Carlos Villegas expertly strapped Project M3 to their Mustang dyno.

Because it sits in traffic most days, it took a few runs to get the ECU thinking properly, and on the fourth of five runs we recorded peak output of 287whp and 216 lb-ft of torque.

Ordinarily, we'd fit and test the parts individually, but aFe wanted to do everything at once so we returned to the dyno with the exhaust and intake installed. It was a relatively cool day, so the temperature and humidity hadn't changed much during the hour or two between the runs.

Unfortunately, after five or six runs, we weren't seeing any gains from the new parts. In fact, we were struggling to find the stock output. It was decided that a few miles on the ECU would help it recalibrate to the improved airflow.

We returned to aFe's dyno several weeks later and, as the graph shows, we still couldn't find the promised horsepower increase. The aFe personnel were clearly disappointed and suggested a problem with the dyno was a possible cause.

The 'seat of the pants' dyno suggests the V8 has lost a little tractability pulling from low revs in a high gear, but does seem to rev more cleanly through to redline. "
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^^^ wow zero gains. fail.
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^^^ wow zero gains. fail.
Thats aFe Intake AND aFe catback.... no gains together... doesnt sound quite right.
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Thats aFe Intake AND aFe catback.... no gains together... doesnt sound quite right.
yeah... that makes it even worse. SMH. And then they blame it on the dyno. lulz.
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So while we didn't make any power, there are lots of reasons to use the aFe components, which would probably see more benefits from a car with software.

Read more: http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...#ixzz1T9OGJwLj
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There were no gains proven on IND's independent test of the MS intake either. You can bring up the thread if need be, they never posted results. Some excuse about the dyno company not giving it to them.
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In this test, they do make HP with ram air system from GruppeM.

http://www.eurotuner.com/techarticle...fe_system.html
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