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      07-20-2011, 11:31 AM   #23
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i would recommend anyone looking to fly to check out ATP flight school. they have lots of different schools around the country and i found them to have excellent training. i got a couple ratings from them myself. http://www.atpflightschool.com/downl...gram_Index.pdf it's good because everything is billed on a flat rate.
great link, thanks.
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cool.
Whats that buzz right before touch down, stall warning?
You get a stall warning on almost every landing.
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      07-20-2011, 11:46 AM   #25
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most places won't let you land just because you can land there..

choppers are extremely loud, and you will most likely have to land in an airport or heliport.
also, by getting your PPL, you do get creditted hours of ground and air for your heli license
You can land in other places if you have prior approval and it depends on the state as well.

http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/0...-landing-zone/
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You get a stall warning on almost every landing.
I thought landing was a controlled stall?
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You can land in other places if you have prior approval and it depends on the state as well.

http://www.aneclecticmind.com/2009/0...-landing-zone/
oh cool
I know the City of Montreal doesn't allow Helicopters to land almost anywhere due to "noise pollution".

After I get my full pilot's license (IFR, Night, PPL) I am going to do my helicopter's...
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Have been you been in a L39 yet?
like an albatross? i've only been in 2 military planes...rode in a B-17 owned by the commemorative air force and was lucky enough to get some stick time in a T-6 texan (old WW2 T-6 with the radial engine)
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I thought landing was a controlled stall?
More like a controlled crash.
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      07-20-2011, 02:33 PM   #30
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You get a stall warning on almost every landing.
i don't know what kind of landings you do, but you most certainly don't want to hear any stall warnings during any phase of landing. that's why you're taught approach stalls and taught to add full power to recover (which means go around), especially if you actually experience buffet. there's no way that i'll fly through a stall on short final. that's how you become a lawn dart.
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oh cool
I know the City of Montreal doesn't allow Helicopters to land almost anywhere due to "noise pollution".

After I get my full pilot's license (IFR, Night, PPL) I am going to do my helicopter's...
Cool!


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like an albatross? i've only been in 2 military planes...rode in a B-17 owned by the commemorative air force and was lucky enough to get some stick time in a T-6 texan (old WW2 T-6 with the radial engine)

Yes the albatross.
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i don't know what kind of landings you do, but you most certainly don't want to hear any stall warnings during any phase of landing. that's why you're taught approach stalls and taught to add full power to recover (which means go around), especially if you actually experience buffet. there's no way that i'll fly through a stall on short final. that's how you become a lawn dart.
My buddy's Cirrus SR20 makes a beeping sound when we're about 10' off the ground on landing until we touch down. It's the same noise we hear if we suddenly hit a thermal and drop a little bit in the air. I asked him about it and he said it was the stall warning. He's been flying for 15ish years and is an experienced instructor so it's not like he's new to it. I'll ask again next time we go up.
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      07-20-2011, 04:18 PM   #34
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lawn dart.
That's what we called the Hornets.
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Alot of good info here, thanks guys.
Next question, whats a good small plane forum to soak up as much info as I can?
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I have some flight training...maybe 15 hours in a Cessna 172, as well as a half hour each in the T-37, T-38, F-16, and two high performance gliders (as well as full-up simulators for the KC-135 and Space Shuttle- landed 'em both on the first try with about 5 minutes training, although it wasn't pretty)

Although it's great, I decided not to pursue it any further just based on the cost/reward/risk ratio. I look at a private pilots licesne as having two uses...

1) Transportation. However, unless you have a route of 150-350 miles you have to fly at least a couple times a week, have a car available at the end, and have very predictable weather, it'll be faster and/or cheaper to drive or buy a commercial flight. You're a slave to the weather, too. Many an experienced pilot has died from gotta-get-there-itis.
2) Fun. This makes more sense. You'll probably want an aerobatic aircraft, like maybe a Vans RV-8 or something. However, I doubt you'd really have more fun than in a glider. They're just so much simpler...purer...more elemental. I thought, in their own way, they were as enjoyable as the F-16. Of course, that's vastly higher performance, but in the glider you really "feel" the air. It's like being an 800 hp Camaro with no steering feel vs. a shifter cart- both tons of fun and high-performance in their own ways.

However, why stop there? If you really want elemental...to be one with the air, and fly for pure sport, why not go to a paraglider or hanglider, or take up skydiving and fly a wing-suit? I think those would be the most fun, and they're dramatically less expensive.

If you're still set on an airplane, you should look into a Light Sport Aircraft or ultralight.

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Alot of good info here, thanks guys.
Next question, whats a good small plane forum to soak up as much info as I can?
Lots of info here.

http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/
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pilot here. take it further. it's rewarding. but i will say, once you're licensed and it becomes easy like driving, you'll still have fun, but it gets boring on long point-to-point routes. but the natural advantage is freedom to travel anywhere you want whenever you want.
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We have a simulator at school that we use to test wing and fuselage designs and its so real that I accumulate flight hours on it. Gonna use those hours to fast track licensing whenever I get the scratch to do it.
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We have a simulator at school that we use to test wing and fuselage designs and its so real that I accumulate flight hours on it. Gonna use those hours to fast track licensing whenever I get the scratch to do it.
yes and no. since you're pre-private, for it to count, you must legally log (document) time with a CFI that signs off on it. otherwise, it's just fun time. those hours won't actually count for anything towards your private, as there was nothing done to relevant to private pilot license curriculum. once you have your private, it will count as PIC stick sim time, but it's gonna do you pretty much no good at this point (and you'll still have to have a CFI sign off on it). there is very little sim time as a part of private, but it's a part of private pilot curriculum and specified by the FAR's (if a sim is available). simulating designs for experimental wings/fuselages doesn't have any relevancy to holding headings and altitudes in instrument conditions, as is briefly required to get your private.
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