BMW: Ultimate Misery

Tag · 07-18-2011, 10:49 AM

http://www.bmwultimatemisery.com/

fatass · 07-18-2011, 10:59 AM

Details are overwhelming

Mprofiler · 07-18-2011, 11:24 AM

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/18/t...o-picket-deal/

WWONG · 07-18-2011, 11:32 AM

Unions = why the American 3 are in the position they are in now.

Bajan Loch · 07-18-2011, 11:43 AM

BMW is no different then any other corporation. Their only objective is to maximize shareholder wealth.

EdwinF10 · 07-18-2011, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bajan Loch

BMW is no different then any other corporation. Their only objective is to maximize shareholder wealth.

+1

bmwpride335i · 07-18-2011, 11:51 AM

damn.... makes me think about drving a bmw. those poor familys dont have no where to go. these germans sure dont care about america.

Bajan Loch · 07-18-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwpride335i

damn.... makes me think about drving a bmw. those poor familys dont have no where to go. these germans sure dont care about america.

here we go...why would you say that?

kgb1637 · 07-18-2011, 12:00 PM

Whatever they have to do to keep these cars at or around the current prices are fine by me.

JS82 · 07-18-2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bmwpride335i

these germans sure dont care about america.

Ignorant statement.

Bajan Loch · 07-18-2011, 12:49 PM

Yes, he should explain a statement like that; not for me, but for everyone else's enlightenment. I thought it would be interesting to see why he would post something like that.

Army X5 S5 · 07-18-2011, 12:59 PM

That's f****** sad... But as i've always stated, BMW doesn't care about you, or their workers, they care about the bottom line and that's it. As long as we (the customers) continue to buy their product (which we by the way love), they will continue to cut corners, reduce the pay of (or fire) employee's and produce a product which fills their pockets. As the article stated, in Germany this wouldn't be tolerated, but this isn't Germany. This is america, where anything goes and Corporations run the country, not the government.

I have a feeling this post will either be: A. Edited, B. Deleted, C. I'll be banned and/or D. All of the above

JuppiOne · 07-18-2011, 01:14 PM

typical corporate strategy, yes, tragic on some, but benefit on the others, bottom line? a few extra $ for the share holders. GM does that, Walmart do that, mom and pop shop do that too, it has nothing to do with whether other nations care about us or not. everyone want more profit, simple. if we are not competitive then jobs go else where.

ase2dais · 07-18-2011, 02:09 PM

lets face it guys.. BMW makes their cars affordable.. look at what we are driving, a performance car like that of a Porche for close to half the cost

Tag · 07-18-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickch

typical corporate strategy, yes, tragic on some, but benefit on the others, bottom line? a few extra $ for the share holders. GM does that, Walmart do that, mom and pop shop do that too, it has nothing to do with whether other nations care about us or not. everyone want more profit, simple. if we are not competitive then jobs go else where.

They already went elsewhere.

-=Hot|Ice=- · 07-18-2011, 02:33 PM

That's a lot of people that won't be buying BMW's. You just screwed yourself BMW.

ghotinori · 07-18-2011, 08:28 PM

I find the 3.6 billion in bailouts the most disturbing part of this somehow...so I looked into it and found this little article
http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw...vernment-money

Not sure how much I trust it, but it sounds like it was the financial arm of BMW that was "bailed out". The financial arm of the company acts like a bank, making loans for people to buy cars, and would obviously be heavily hit is tons of people started defaulting on their car loans, but does that mean we should give them US taxpayer money, when they aren't even a US company?

But maybe the company that was bailed out was actually BMW Bank of North America, the same company that runs http://www.up2drive.com/ car loans...Is that an American bank?

I don't know, but I am just an uneducated citizen, maybe it was the right move to bail them out after all. And maybe the BMW that was bailed out and the BMW that is making these cuts are actually quite separate both in terms of finance and policy.

vase330 · 07-19-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TrackRat

^^^ It has absolutely nothing to do with "being competitive". U.S. workers produce quite well compared to most countries. What is has to do with is bigger bonuses for CEOs and fatter returns for shareholders. Financial greed will be the downfall of the U.S. economy. Oh wait, it's already happened with Wall Street bankers, the housing and mortgage industry, the Detroit auto makers and 30 million unemployed people in the U.S.

Many financial greed mongers would ship every single U.S. job they could to a third world country if they could get $.25 more in their annual bonus...

ASK NOT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY BUT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU! - Indeed. Patriotism is dead, and all the flag waving "patriots" we see daily are all bought and paid for by same corporations. If folks traveled a little more that song about land of the free would really sound hollow to them when they realize what has happened to them. Slowly the corporations have been sapping all the freedom the people imagine they have. In the end everything you do is innocuously coerced by corporations to build them more profits.

Bajan Loch · 07-19-2011, 05:30 AM

I know what I am going to do; going to buy more stocks so I can make more money so I can get the M3 I've always wanted.

SmartBastard · 07-19-2011, 08:50 AM

I don't really get all of you who are complaining about this. BMW is a business, of course they are looking for ways how to maximize their profit. On one side US is always trying to look like the best example of freedom (and ofc spread the freedom to everyone .. hint: Irak) on the other you wanna force a company to employee people whose contracts just ran out....

Bajan Loch · 07-19-2011, 09:51 AM

I'll say it again; BMW is no different then Ford, GM, Toyota or any other corporation. Look at what Cisco announced today:

http://www.boston.com/business/techn..._cuts_to_6500/

Over 6000 jobs lost. Guess what; their shares rose this morning after the announcement:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cis...MW_latest_news

This has nothing to do with patriotism or what is fair, it's capitalism. Stop complaining about it and become a shareholder.

Bajan Loch · 07-19-2011, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrackRat

People can vote with their wallet for what they believe in.

That is the key right there, we are lucky to have the choice and the freedom to buy whatever we want and from whom we want.

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Army X5 S5 Lieutenant Colonel Drives: '11 X5 35i / '13 S5 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Deployed to Kuwait Posts: 1,752 iTrader: (2)	That's f****** sad... But as i've always stated, BMW doesn't care about you, or their workers, they care about the bottom line and that's it. As long as we (the customers) continue to buy their product (which we by the way love), they will continue to cut corners, reduce the pay of (or fire) employee's and produce a product which fills their pockets. As the article stated, in Germany this wouldn't be tolerated, but this isn't Germany. This is america, where anything goes and Corporations run the country, not the government. I have a feeling this post will either be: A. Edited, B. Deleted, C. I'll be banned and/or D. All of the above __________________ BMW X5 35i: Boopie Exhaust, Boopie Intercooler, K&N Drop in Filter... Audi S5 2013 (Delivery Sept 2013): Mods pending review

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fatass Second Lieutenant Drives: none Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: bay area Posts: 216 iTrader: (2)	Details are overwhelming

07-18-2011, 11:32 AM	#4
WWONG Banned Drives: 2012 BMW X5 xDrive35d Join Date: May 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,834 iTrader: (14)	Unions = why the American 3 are in the position they are in now.

07-18-2011, 11:43 AM	#5
Bajan Loch Private First Class Drives: E90 A22 N52N Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: GTA, Ontario Posts: 189 iTrader: (2)	BMW is no different then any other corporation. Their only objective is to maximize shareholder wealth.

07-18-2011, 11:51 AM	#7
bmwpride335i Major Drives: 07 SUPERCHARGED 680HP VETTE Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,361 iTrader: (1)	damn.... makes me think about drving a bmw. those poor familys dont have no where to go. these germans sure dont care about america.

07-18-2011, 12:49 PM	#11
Bajan Loch Private First Class Drives: E90 A22 N52N Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: GTA, Ontario Posts: 189 iTrader: (2)	Yes, he should explain a statement like that; not for me, but for everyone else's enlightenment. I thought it would be interesting to see why he would post something like that.

07-18-2011, 01:14 PM	#13
JuppiOne Captain Drives: everyone crazy Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: MO Posts: 682 iTrader: (4)	typical corporate strategy, yes, tragic on some, but benefit on the others, bottom line? a few extra $ for the share holders. GM does that, Walmart do that, mom and pop shop do that too, it has nothing to do with whether other nations care about us or not. everyone want more profit, simple. if we are not competitive then jobs go else where.

07-18-2011, 08:28 PM	#17
ghotinori New Member Drives: Titanium Silver 2007 E93 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: United States Posts: 5 iTrader: (0)	I find the 3.6 billion in bailouts the most disturbing part of this somehow...so I looked into it and found this little article http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw...vernment-money Not sure how much I trust it, but it sounds like it was the financial arm of BMW that was "bailed out". The financial arm of the company acts like a bank, making loans for people to buy cars, and would obviously be heavily hit is tons of people started defaulting on their car loans, but does that mean we should give them US taxpayer money, when they aren't even a US company? But maybe the company that was bailed out was actually BMW Bank of North America, the same company that runs http://www.up2drive.com/ car loans...Is that an American bank? I don't know, but I am just an uneducated citizen, maybe it was the right move to bail them out after all. And maybe the BMW that was bailed out and the BMW that is making these cuts are actually quite separate both in terms of finance and policy.

07-19-2011, 05:30 AM	#19
Bajan Loch Private First Class Drives: E90 A22 N52N Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: GTA, Ontario Posts: 189 iTrader: (2)	I know what I am going to do; going to buy more stocks so I can make more money so I can get the M3 I've always wanted.

07-19-2011, 08:50 AM	#20
SmartBastard Stupid as shit Drives: '08 M Coupe Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 362 iTrader: (0)	I don't really get all of you who are complaining about this. BMW is a business, of course they are looking for ways how to maximize their profit. On one side US is always trying to look like the best example of freedom (and ofc spread the freedom to everyone .. hint: Irak) on the other you wanna force a company to employee people whose contracts just ran out....

07-19-2011, 09:51 AM	#21
Bajan Loch Private First Class Drives: E90 A22 N52N Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: GTA, Ontario Posts: 189 iTrader: (2)	I'll say it again; BMW is no different then Ford, GM, Toyota or any other corporation. Look at what Cisco announced today: http://www.boston.com/business/techn..._cuts_to_6500/ Over 6000 jobs lost. Guess what; their shares rose this morning after the announcement: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cis...MW_latest_news This has nothing to do with patriotism or what is fair, it's capitalism. Stop complaining about it and become a shareholder.

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